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Manu's not retiring
Why wouldn't you want him to play for the Spurs?
Manu's not retiring
...took you a while, but welcome to the boat!
Just calling a spade a spade.
Pop will never really "coach" him. Pop doesn't really like him.
Why keep him?
Spurs will never get rid of Pop so the reality is that if the coach has it in for you-you don't belong here.
Let him try to have a career somewhere else and hopefully some coach sees his potential and gets the most out of him.
what you mean? Kawhi on the table?
Possibly trade him.
try 2009:
http://spurstalk.com/forums/showthre...95#post3890695
Splitter for 1st round pick from Indiana would work, they need backup center we need American big.
Wouldn't let Kwahi go for anyone who wouldn't be crazy to trade their pick.
In other words, no. Kid's ceiling is too unknown and potentially high.
I agree with bringing back the same team essentially, but I hope that timmy settles for less money and maybe gives us some wiggle room. Wouldn't be shocked or disappointed if he got his pay day though.
Even with Tim taking a low contract, Spurs still don't have a lot of money to sign FA's next year. I will be the year after where that makes a difference.
What did you expect Manu to do in game 6? Looked to me like he was doing the team thing. Going with the guys that were rolling from the first half as in Tim and Tony. Would like to have seen him get the ball more in the second half but there's only so many shots and plays to go around.
Good point
Even if the Spurs did have some cash to sign FA's, there isn't much in this crop that would make or break them. The only big unrestricted FA is Deron Williams, which short of a sign and trade has less than 0% chance of happening, and then the Roy Hibberts, Batums, even Courtney Lees of the world are all Restricted FAs with the borderline playoff teams chomping at the bit to overpay them.
I wouldn't mind seeing Duncan take a big pay cheque this year, then next year take something small and we throw big money at Ibaka as a restricted free agent.
Inclined to think there shouldn't be major changes - this team jelled this season and the additions of Jack and Diaw brought it to within two wins of another trip to the Finals. Give this group a full season together.
But, you can't rest on your laurels and two of your top 3 players are age 35 and over. This team had a relatively healthy season, which can't always be counted on.
If Pop wasn't boneheaded in the first quarter of Game 5 we'd be looking at a Game 7 tomorrow night.
Obvious need is an athletic big of some sort.
With that said, there are the Brandon Wright/Ian Mahinimi types every year if you get lucky.
We definitely need an athletic big. I say keep Splitter and Diaw, but get rid of Bonner and Blair if it all possible (which it probably isn't) to acquire one.
I don't know if we'll ever beat OKC with our declining Big 3, but making a move like that will definitely make us more compe ive.
Backup PG is somewhat overrated as a concern, as long as the Spurs run the motion and Manu is on the court. Need more of a defensive presence inside.
WOW Everybody gets a pass on the 4 game losing streak in the WCF. That is until you get to James Anderson and Matt Bonner. At first, I thought you were doing a good job giving grades, but by the end of the year, Bonner could do NOTHING right. So he chokes in the playoffs, that is who you blame. He played a HUGE role in losing the playoffs. WOW 3 whole mins in Games 4, 5 and 6 of the WCF. He chocked alright. He choked sitting on the damn bench instead of getting court time when NONE of the rest of the team was scoring in the 2nd and 3rd quarters. Hey let's lay it on Anderson that the Spurs lost. He was really a liability in games 4, 5, and 6. Yep, all 0 mins he was on the court. How about Patty Mills. He offered a huge contribution. Oh wait, 0 mins in the last 3 games.
Lets call all the hands, Pop shorten the roster when he should have stuck with what got us here. I will always think that with Diaw coming off the bench with Manu we would have had a better chance of winning the WCF.
Have to agree with timvp's evaluations (even though I may like Mills a little more than he does).
As for any trades:
Don't forget that there has to be something in the draft to trade for! I get it. The draft is deep. But there simply has to be a guy our team really wants (and probably wants more than most teams). I trust our scouting very much and as I said somewhere else: Our front office isn't famous for "trading up"...It's like with my favorit NFL team the Steelers (IMHO, the team most similar to the Spurs....f**k the Pats). They more or less never traded up until someone special was there to get: Troy Polamalu...And while Leonard may not become a HoFer, he fell to the point where R.C. just liked to do the trade. WE DON'T KNOW IF THIS PLAYER IS THERE OR WILL FALL FAR ENOUGH!
Trading/Amnestizing Bonner:
I'm not sure if Bonner has negativ trade value. 2years for about 7,5mio isn't cheap for a playoff lollipop, but:
1) I'm not sure every team out there is valuing playoff performance like the 4-6 contenders do.
2) If Pop has faith in Bonner year after year, why shouldn't someone else?
3) We always have the Knicks and Warriors to fall ask for.
That said, I think he has neutral value and could be included in some other deal. If not, I don't see us amnestizing him (Holt shouldnt have to pay him for not playing), but simply shut him down when the playoffs start.
Trading Blair:
If we don't keep him for longer than a year (and while I don't think he is a great fit next to Duncan, he may give us something moving on some day on a reasonable price), we should try to trade him for something. I don't see us getting something special, but maybe we can trade into the late 1st round or get someone better fitting.
As for others:
While there always might be a stupid call from some GM worth answering, we shouldn't touch Splitter (nearest thing to a real C next to Timmy), Green (he just hit a bad streak at the worst time...he simply doesn't come over like a weak minded dude) and Neal (at least he has major balls).
No real major changes should be made tbh.. It'll again just be a matter of getting into the playoffs healthy next year for the old guys, and hoping that the new guys make some decent improvements.
This roster should not be torn apart imho.
He was sitting on the bench because he was an utter liability when he was on the court. Having to scramble because we suddenly had to reallocate what would have been Bonner's minutes was part of the reason we lost those games.
We all know Bonner's a defensive liability. He's always been a defensive liability. But on balance, he's been worth it, because he provided good floor spacing and kept the defense from collapsing when we penetrated.
But here's the thing: the Thunder weren't even trying to cover Bonner. They were sagging way, way off him and as a result, we had a lot more trouble getting into the paint -- we were playing 4 on 5 on offense. Of course, with the defense sagging off him, Bonner should have been able to hit some key shots and make them pay for not covering him. Instead, he went a whopping 1 for 9, and the Thunder went right on not covering him until we were forced to sit his ass down for the rest of the series.
So if he's a big defensive liability AND a big offensive liability, why exactly (a) should we have been playing him, and (b) would we bring him back next year?
We'll let this Okie go back home.
I've had an almost visceral reaction to Bonner as a Spur since the beginning.
He's championship Kryptonite.
You know how you're supposed to visualize success?
I don't visualize Bonner in the rotation of a championship team. I don't see him in the team photo (and please don't trot out his IR team photo in '07).
The lack of grace. The choppy movements. The geeky gait. The insipid smile.
It's not that he lacks swagger, he's absolutely kills swagger.
He infuses the opposition with confidence. And confidence is catching.
The refs pick up on this, too. Most of them are just geeks who want the coolest kids (players) to like them. Bonner just reminds them of them.
He even gives the other team's role players the courage to hit the pressure outside J.
Great guy, Bonner.
Stinks as an NBA player.
Last edited by Russ; 06-07-2012 at 09:37 PM.
Thats great news
The point guard at Churchill high school has a better chance of becoming an NBA player than Nando De Colo.
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