A&M driving up the value of the SEC!

[coyotes_geek]

If there are 4 super conferences, I guarantee you the Big 12 will be one of them. There are 3 main football states in the United States. California, Texas, and Florida. No super conference is going to exist without the main components of those states in affect.

The B1G says o.

[Blake]

Texas definitely.

OU is one notch below definitely since there is a scenario that they could get screwed in. That being Texas giving up on the B12 to make a B1G move. B1G won't take OU over academics, so OU's picture gets pretty hazy in that scenario. Not very likely to happen IMO, but still a possibility.

OU won't get screwed. It's not a possibility at all.

Disagree. First off, we can ignore the other schools not having done anything. Any B12 school that could make their own decision to leave already has. All that's left in the B12 is Texas, who can do whatever they want, and a bunch of schools that the other major conferences either have no interest in whatsoever or would only consider as part of a package deal to land Texas.

So you agree about the other schools but disagree about UT? You're not clear.

There is no way UT goes to a new conference all on their own. Too many issues at play that keep that from happening.

Where would you get the idea that they would?

I'm sure you will, but those additions still don't mean that the Big 12 will end up with SEC type TV money, which is the statement that we're all laughing at.

Adding those Florida schools with their history and TV markets would absolutely put them at or near the top money wise.

only a fool would laugh at that notion.

No it wouldn't. Networks care about television markets and ratings, not some "superconference" moniker.

The schools in the conference have the market and the ratings.

You're being ridiculous now in trying to justify your earlier lol.

there's no guarantee that the B12 will exist in 15 years.

throw out a scenario where UT would be without Tech, OU and Okie St, 15 years from now.

[coyotes_geek]

OU won't get screwed. It's not a possibility at all.

To be answered later in this post.....

So you disagree about UT?

There is no way they go to a new conference all their own.

Where would you get the idea that they would?

Do I disagree that Texas has already decided that they want to be in the Big 12 forever and ever? Yes. If Texas thinks it's in their best interests to move elsewhere, I have no doubts that they'll move elsewhere. If it's in their best interests to bring someone with them, they will. If it's not, they won't.

Adding those Florida schools with their history and TV markets would absolutely put them at or near the top money wise.

only a fool would laugh at that notion.

If you just look at 1st and 2nd tier TV contracts, maybe. But conference networks are becoming as big a money maker as the 1st & 2nd tier deals are, and so long as the LHN exists, there's not going to be a B12 conference network regardless of who the conference adds.

Even looking at just the 1st and 2nd tier deals you've got to consider the domino effect of the big 12 raiding the ACC. If the ACC loses FSU/Miami/Clemson, that just opens the door for the SEC to get into North Carolina and Virginia.

The schools in the conference have the market and the ratings.

Right. And when comparing two conferences the one with the larger market and higher ratings will get the bigger deal, regardless of whether or not both are considered to be superconferences.

You're being ridiculous now in trying to justify your earlier lol.

Hardly.

throw out a scenario where UT would be without Tech, OU and Okie St, 15 years from now.

Texas and Notre Dame join the B1G.

[Blake]

.... so long as the LHN exists, there's not going to be a B12 conference network regardless of who the conference adds.

Right. And when comparing two conferences the one with the larger market and higher ratings will get the bigger deal, regardless of whether or not both are considered to be superconferences.

UT brings enough rating on it's own to keep the entire conference up.

The latest conference deal is proof enough.

Texas and Notre Dame join the B1G

UT has no reason to join that conference.

Independence would be more attractive.

[Blake]

The deal is expected to be the one reported by CBSSports.com on March 13 worth a combined $2.6 billion with ESPN and Fox. The 13-year deal is projected to be worth $200 million annually to the conference (an average of $20 million per school) through 2025. For the moment, the Big 12 enters the stratosphere of the Pac-12, SEC and Big Ten, all of which are near or above the $200 million per year mark.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...w-espnfox-deal

You guys are butthurt idiots

[coyotes_geek]

The deal is expected to be the one reported by CBSSports.com on March 13 worth a combined $2.6 billion with ESPN and Fox. The 13-year deal is projected to be worth $200 million annually to the conference (an average of $20 million per school) through 2025. For the moment, the Big 12 enters the stratosphere of the Pac-12, SEC and Big Ten, all of which are near or above the $200 million per year mark.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...w-espnfox-deal

These words seem kind of important.

[coyotes_geek]

UT brings enough rating on it's own to keep the entire conference up.

If that were true there would still be a Southwest Conference.

The latest conference deal is proof enough.

The latest conference deal is proof that it took the Big 12 until 2012 to negotiate themselves a comprable deal to what the SEC was able to negotiate for themselves back in 2008.

UT has no reason to join that conference.

Independence would be more attractive.

I wouldn't say no reason, but agree that it's one of the lesser likely scenarios.

Personally I think the success or failure of the LHN determines what happens next. LHN succeeds, I think Texas remains content with the Big 12 and the conference survives. LHN fails, I think six years from now Texas tells OU, OkSt and Tech to pack their and moves to the Pac.

[ChumpDumper]

I think eventually the LHN morphs into a Big Whatever Network, with two tiers of reimbursement.

If the conference gets most of the schools rumored, their cable deal will end up there close to that of the SEC again.

[DesignatedT]

The money maker is the SEC network which will be a monster. It will blow the B1G network out of the water (which is already a great conference network). The big12 won't have a network that compares to this(and that is where the big $$$ comes from, it doesn't come from ESPN or CBS), especially with the longhorns having their own and calling the shots. If the big12 can get the longhorn network to eventually go away and create a big12 network then they too can make a good dollar on it. Good luck bringing that idea to Dodds though.

[DesignatedT]

Personally I think the success or failure of the LHN determines what happens next. LHN succeeds, I think Texas remains content with the Big 12 and the conference survives. LHN fails, I think six years from now Texas tells OU, OkSt and Tech to pack their and moves to the Pac.

This could happen.

[Blake]

These words seem kind of important.

No reason at this point to think the numbers won't be as comparably sick with the Big (12+/-)

Equally important.

[Blake]

If that were true there would still be a Southwest Conference.

UT 1996 is not UT 2012.

The latest conference deal is proof that it took the Big 12 until 2012 to negotiate themselves a comprable deal to what the SEC was able to negotiate for themselves back in 2008.

When you break it down per school, it's in the same ballpark.

next year, it will be more per school than the schools in the Pac12 will be getting lol Colorado.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmi...n-tv-contract/

I wouldn't say no reason, but agree that it's one of the lesser likely scenarios.

I would say there is no good reason.

Personally I think the success or failure of the LHN determines what happens next. LHN succeeds, I think Texas remains content with the Big 12 and the conference survives. LHN fails, I think six years from now Texas tells OU, OkSt and Tech to pack their and moves to the Pac.

I think if the LHN fails that they simply start up an official Big 12+/- Network.

[Blake]

I think eventually the LHN morphs into a Big Whatever Network, with two tiers of reimbursement.

I also think at this point that this is the most likely scenario.

If the conference gets most of the schools rumored, their cable deal will end up there close to that of the SEC again.

Of course it would.

aggy's smiley face can't hide those tears of butthurt.

[coyotes_geek]

Equally important.

The ability of the SEC to create it's own network compared to the Big12's inability to create one seems like a pretty good reason at this point to think that the SEC's TV revenue will easily exceed the Big12's.

[coyotes_geek]

UT 1996 is not UT 2012.

Please feel free to elaborate.

When you break it down per school, it's in the same ballpark.

next year, it will be more per school than the schools in the Pac12 will be getting lol Colorado.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/chrissmi...n-tv-contract/

It's still a comparison of the Big 12's new deal to the SEC's old deal. The SEC's new deal is only going to go up.

I would say there is no good reason.

Maybe Texas wants better company in their own time zone.

I think if the LHN fails that they simply start up an official Big 12+/- Network.

Pac network that includes Texas >>>> Big 12 network. Choosing between California/Texas/Arizona/Oregon/Washington/Colorado/Utah/Oklahoma or Texas/Oklahoma/Kansas/Iowa/West Virginia isn't a very tough decision to make. Even if you do lump Florida and South Carolina in there, the scale still tilts heavily towards the Pac.

[DesignatedT]

So you think the big12 will eventually make similar money to the SEC because Dodds and the Horns will wake up one morning and ask themselves what good they can do for the conference (lulz) and will then morph their network into a big12 network?

I Disagree.

[Blake]

The ability of the SEC to create it's own network compared to the Big12's inability to create one seems like a pretty good reason at this point to think that the SEC's TV revenue will easily exceed the Big12's.

You must have missed the part where I said what I believe to be the most likely scenario.

[Vito Corleone]

SEC network has a much bigger up hill battle than the Big 12 does when it comes ot a 3rd tier network. Right now Bama and Florida have their own 3rd tier agreements that is neeting them much more money than an SEC network can make. Getting those two schools to buy off on that is a huge up hill battle. Especially in the short term where there is sure to be a loss for years one and two. That will be a big hit on the bottom line for two schools making about 10 mil a piece for their 3rd tier rights.

[DesignatedT]

^Is that what they feed you over on Shaggybevo? Cuz it's not true.

[Vito Corleone]

wrong again aggsy boy, check your facts both have their tier 3 rights tied to networks that are paying them about 10 mil each.

[Blake]

So you think the big12 will eventually make similar money to the SEC because Dodds and the Horns will wake up one morning and ask themselves what good they can do for the conference (lulz) and will then morph their network into a big12 network?

I Disagree.

If OU doesn't continue to make comparable money to other major programs, it has the potential to get ugly again.

I don't think UT wants it to get ugly again and I'm not so sure that UT likes this ESPN deal any more.

[ChumpDumper]

So you think the big12 will eventually make similar money to the SEC because Dodds and the Horns will wake up one morning and ask themselves what good they can do for the conference (lulz) and will then morph their network into a big12 network?

I Disagree.

Depends on the new playoff structure. If strength of schedule is a main criterion, it makes sense for UT to make concessions to keep and attract more strong conference compe ion, just as the BCS structure made it sensible for UT to make its own network in a watered down conference.

The playoff scheme is the type of thing that will make UT act. If they can make a strong conference network with less of the socialistic aspects of the other conference agreements, there's really no way they wouldn't do it.

[coyotes_geek]

You must have missed the part where I said what I believe to be the most likely scenario.

No, I saw it. I just don't think your most likely scenario is all that likely. While the SEC is already working towards putting their conference network on the air, non-Texas Big12 fans have to sit around with their fingers crossed hoping and waiting for ESPN and Texas to admit that the LHN is a bust. Then, once that happens (if it happens), non-Texas Big12 fans get to sit around with their fingers crossed once again, waiting for Texas to decide between turning the LHN into a B12 network, or just bolting for the Pac. Much more money for them in the Pac.

Even if they do get a Big12 network off the ground the SEC network would still be more valueable. More media markets, more TVs, more fans, better ratings.

[DesignatedT]

I do not see Texas scraping their network under any cir stance for the greater good of the big12. Nothing they have done/said would make me believe this.

[ChumpDumper]

I do not see Texas scraping their network under any cir stance for the greater good of the big12. Nothing they have done/said would make me believe this.

Duh.

There's nothing to say or change under the current system.