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    My best friend just found out that he's being shipped out in November...not sure where yet but they said somewhere in Southeast Asia. He's been home for years now and has a wife, a young son and a career. What the is this country getting involved in now where they have to call up a reserve(Navy) who hasn't been overseas in years and has basically started a new life? Anyone else know someone that's being called up?
    Maybe I missed something here, but when you're in the reserves aren't you:
    - subjected to mandatory training throughout the year?
    - paid a lil somethin'?
    - given auxillary benefits of some kind?

    I mean, if you sign a contract that benefits you and suddenly the other party wants you to uphold your end...how is that wrong? But yea, maybe I missed something in the discussion.

    edit: you just mentioned an exit deal, that sounds like a bad deal

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    From what I remember he had to stay in reserves as part of his exit deal. Believe me, if he could quit the reserves tomorrow he would.
    Did he get out early with the agreement that he would serve the remainder of his time in the reserves?

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    When I left (mind you, that was over 10 years ago) four years of reserves were an automatic; they didn't ask you if you wanted it or not, it just was. The only exceptions were retirements and medical or dishonorable discharges.

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    When I left (mind you, that was over 10 years ago) four years of reserves were an automatic; they didn't ask you if you wanted it or not, it just was. The only exceptions were retirements and medical or dishonorable discharges.
    Wouldn't a recruiter know this?

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    Wouldn't a recruiter know this?
    Listen you stupid ...I don't know what his exact situation is. It could be what desflood said or it could be that he agreed to it. If you just can't seem to live a normal life without knowing exactly I will probably be talking to him sometime this week and I will gladly let you know for sure. Frankly, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with him being pissed about going back. He's pissed because he has a special needs son and a wife with a recently diagnosed heart condition. He also doesn't believe the same things he used to. All of that said...he IS going back over seas and will fulfill his commitment.

    He's well over a decade removed from the time he became a recruiter. He was a ing kid. He's a grown man now. I don't know about you, but I can't think of very many people who are now in their mid 30s who have the same views they had when they were 20. I know more than a few people who served that don't believe in what is going on with our military. Their lives are in the government's hands and they aren't ing robots that just nod and walk forwards when the government tells them to do something. Should they do what they are told? Yes...because they are contractually obligated to. Do they have to agree with it? Absolutely not.

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    Regardless of who is right and who is wrong, I find this topic informative and entertaining.

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    After VN, Iraq, Afghanistan disasters, you have to be pretty ignorant to risk getting ed up in another disaster by joining the military.

    I'm sure the vast majority of Iraq/Afghanistan vets loved their (repeated) experiences and came home in 100% health, physical and mental. ... was a for a good cause. The Iraqis and Afghans just love The American Way now.

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    Listen you stupid ...I don't know what his exact situation is. It could be what desflood said or it could be that he agreed to it. If you just can't seem to live a normal life without knowing exactly I will probably be talking to him sometime this week and I will gladly let you know for sure. Frankly, it doesn't have a damn thing to do with him being pissed about going back. He's pissed because he has a special needs son and a wife with a recently diagnosed heart condition. He also doesn't believe the same things he used to. All of that said...he IS going back over seas and will fulfill his commitment.

    He's well over a decade removed from the time he became a recruiter. He was a ing kid. He's a grown man now. I don't know about you, but I can't think of very many people who are now in their mid 30s who have the same views they had when they were 20. I know more than a few people who served that don't believe in what is going on with our military. Their lives are in the government's hands and they aren't ing robots that just nod and walk forwards when the government tells them to do something. Should they do what they are told? Yes...because they are contractually obligated to. Do they have to agree with it? Absolutely not.
    My point is that as a recruiter he of all people would know to what he was agreeing. I have two family members in the military and I can tell you I tried to talk them out of it. One has been both to Iraq and Afghanistan, but he made the choice. There are benefits and there are risks. When you choose a career in the military, you give up certain choices- you know you have to be away from family... He had to know this was a possibility as long as he was in the reserves.

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    He did. I've already explained that to you. Did you even read what I said?

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    she read what you said. your friend can't claim stupidity. but there's no law against whining.

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    I never said he wanted to claim stupidity. You people have some serious comprehension problems down here.

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    ok, so he's just whining, but you make it sound like he's whining because he doesn't understand why it's happening.(hence the playing stupid approach)

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    Their lives are in the government's hands and they aren't ing robots that just nod and walk forwards when the government tells them to do something..
    They're paid to be just that.....robots who determine when to piss, , sleep and eat based off orders they're given. If you don't want to be a robot controlled by the government then don't join the military.

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    lol uncalled for imo

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    They're paid to be just that.....robots who determine when to piss, , sleep and eat based off orders they're given. If you don't want to be a robot controlled by the government then don't join the military.
    yup, only re s sign up to be human pawns in the rich man's game of chess.

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    lol uncalled for imo
    She was being condescending. My wife doesn't take a condescending tone with me...so I sure as am not going to take it from some clueless, anonymous woman on an internet forum.

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    ok, so he's just whining, but you make it sound like he's whining because he doesn't understand why it's happening.(hence the playing stupid approach)
    I never said he was "whining because he doesn't understand why it's happening" nor did I make it sound that way. Go back and read what I said, because I'm not typing it again or copy/pasting it for you.

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    lol uncalled for imo
    Agreed lol

    Ploto will always be THAT after the she took on Angel_Luv in the "I'm quitting my job at the mall so I can worry more about my husband's penis!" thread

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    She was being condescending. My wife doesn't take a condescending tone with me...so I sure as am not going to take it from some clueless, anonymous woman on an internet forum.
    wow

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    all insults aside, any updates?

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    all the guys in your sig are heroes and they're dead. Maybe they shoulda worried a little less about looking like a coward and more about staying alive
    i guess if staying alive is your main interest then staying in college and not doing anything worth while in life means you are doing what you want. but you are a definitely a coward. half those guys in my sig (who are heros) extended their contract so they could be there with their men. One of them gave their life to save another. But you think he should of ran and hid? ok thanks for your ethics lesson.

    Regardless of how many tours you do. If you try and get out of a deployment, then you are a coward.

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    spursncowboys is angry

    Being a coward who's alive is 1000x better than being a hero who's dead

    I'd say the guys in your sig who extended their contract made the wrong decision given that said decision led to their death

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    When I left (mind you, that was over 10 years ago) four years of reserves were an automatic; they didn't ask you if you wanted it or not, it just was. The only exceptions were retirements and medical or dishonorable discharges.
    after your contract anytime left to get you to eight years is IIR (inactive reserve). From 04 to 06 they were calling these guys up. Now they have gone back to just reserve on call.

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    yup, only re s sign up to be human pawns in the rich man's game of chess.

    you guys are such pussies

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    i guess if staying alive is your main interest then staying in college and not doing anything worth while in life means you are doing what you want. but you are a definitely a coward. half those guys in my sig (who are heros) extended their contract so they could be there with their men. One of them gave their life to save another. But you think he should of ran and hid? ok thanks for your ethics lesson.

    Regardless of how many tours you do. If you try and get out of a deployment, then you are a coward.
    me being in college an extra semester to finish a double major and a minor means I'm "not doing anything worthwhile in life!"

    I'll gladly accept being a coward if it means I get to live a complete life rather than be a dead hero like the guys in your sig

    keep telling yourself that dying in your early 20s in an unnecessary war is better than actually going to college and avoiding the military

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