Trayvon Martin - black kid armed with skittles killed in "self-defense" - Part 1

[FuzzyLumpkins]

No .

I like the SYG type laws. I have a few times, against my desire to maintain principle, avoided a couple bars because of the beef someone else had against me. I should be able defend myself without fear of going to jail.

Yeah because drinking and guns just go so well together. And you want to claim that I am drunk posting.

[Wild Cobra]

Why should I not be?

You're saying the same stupid things; I'll say the same things I have to counter them.

I actually said something different, and you responded with the same . Then I repeated some sentiment I made in the past. I realized this was pointless, so I made my comment about the repeating.

What do you think repeating the same over will accomplish?

[ChumpDumper]

I actually said something different, and you responded with the same . Then I repeated some sentiment I made in the past. I realized this was pointless, so I made my comment about the repeating.

What do you think repeating the same over will accomplish?

What do you think repeating the same over will accomplish?

[Wild Cobra]

What do you think repeating the same over will accomplish?

Why are you repeating me?

LOL...

[ChumpDumper]

Why are you repeating me?

LOL...

Exactly.

[boutons_deux]

"for those who feel Mr. Zimmerman was justified in his actions,
for those who feel they would do the same if they were in Mr. Zimmerman's shoes"

give money to GZ defense. You someday may be lucky enough to stalk and kill a young black hoodie male.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php...orge-zimmerman

[jack sommerset]

"for those who feel Mr. Zimmerman was justified in his actions,
for those who feel they would do the same if they were in Mr. Zimmerman's shoes"

give money to GZ defense. You someday may be lucky enough to stalk and kill a young black hoodie male.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php...orge-zimmerman

My brother, I'm going to take your advice but for different reasons. He shouldnt be in jail in the first place. Thanks for the suggestion. God bless

[Trill Clinton]

"for those who feel Mr. Zimmerman was justified in his actions,
for those who feel they would do the same if they were in Mr. Zimmerman's shoes"

give money to GZ defense. You someday may be lucky enough to stalk and kill a young black hoodie male.

http://www.gzlegalcase.com/index.php...orge-zimmerman

this is so sad its funny. yea people, donate all of your hard earned currency to post poor george's bail

[boutons_deux]

gotta figger that Z's lawyer is gonna get some, maybe a LOT, of those donations to Z.

[Wild Cobra]

this is so sad its funny. yea people, donate all of your hard earned currency to post poor george's bail

No funny at all. There are quite a few people out there who think he's being shafted. He shouldn't be in jail. The evidence in the public eye of many is that he shot someone assaulting him. Simple self defense. The reason Martin initiated assault wasn't good enough.

[clambake]

There's really no doubt that he stalked this kid and killed him.

[DisAsTerBot]

gotta figger that Z's lawyer is gonna get some, maybe a LOT, of those donations to Z.

z's lawyer is going to get money from the defense fund?!?!!?

shocking!

[Trill Clinton]

No funny at all. There are quite a few people out there who think he's being shafted. He shouldn't be in jail. The evidence in the public eye of many is that he shot someone assaulting him. Simple self defense. The reason Martin initiated assault wasn't good enough.

those people are idiots.

trayvon fought for his life

[Wild Cobra]

those people are idiots.

trayvon fought for his life

We have different opinions. Maybe you are right. Maybe I am right. One of us will be wrong in the end, but neither of us really know yet.

[Trill Clinton]

We have different opinions. Maybe you are right. Maybe I am right. One of us will be wrong in the end, but neither of us really know yet.

I think my opinion makes more sense.

[bobbyjoe]

gotta figger that Z's lawyer is gonna get some, maybe a LOT, of those donations to Z.

Actually, the irony is that a lot of the donations are going to end up in the hands of the Martin family once they file a civil claim against GZ and GZ is forced to settle or loses in court.

Without these donations, George wouldn't have much in the way of assets to recover, but the 6 figure (and counting) donations change things.

[Wild Cobra]

Actually, the irony is that a lot of the donations are going to end up in the hands of the Martin family once they file a civil claim against GZ and GZ is forced to settle or loses in court.

Without these donations, George wouldn't have much in the way of assets to recover, but the 6 figure (and counting) donations change things.

I kniow the law varies by state, but I don't think that will happen. The fund can be set up for specific purposes and be protected.

If Zimmerman is innocent like I think, then maybe he should sue for the mental suffering Martin and the media put him through.

[bobbyjoe]

No funny at all. There are quite a few people out there who think he's being shafted. He shouldn't be in jail. The evidence in the public eye of many is that he shot someone assaulting him. Simple self defense. The reason Martin initiated assault wasn't good enough.

Suppose you are walking in a predominantly black neighborhood late at night visiting a friend (I'm assuming you aren't black) to watch a Spurs game.

Now suppose on your way home you notice a 200 poundish black guy in his late 20's staring at you and then following you on your way home.

Now suppose you turn onto the street your friend lives and you spot him again following you. You ask him why he's following you and he responds by askig you what are you doing in the neigborhood.

Is it possible you'd see this as him implying you don't belong in the neighborhood? Suppose you take a bit of an exception to his comment and tell him it's none of his business really after you realize he's just a civilian, not a cop or a security guard. Suppose he then says "Sir, you seem to be acting a bit su ious to me. Why don't you stay here until the police arrive. I called them and they are on their way to ask you a few questions".

What's your next action? Can anyone on here truthfully say (and obviously this is speculation, but I think this is a very reasonable possibility of how thngs transpired) that they would feel they should tell a complete stranger who hasn't identified himself to you as being a neighborhood watchman what they were doing and where they were going? Would there not be a voice inside you saying (uhh, I have no idea who this stranger is or what he wants, so it might not be a good idea to tell him where my friend lives)?

And if you found out someone had called the cops on you when all you were doing was going to a friend's house that you wouldn't be at the least vey upset?

[Wild Cobra]

Suppose you are walking in a predominantly black neighborhood late at night visiting a friend (I'm assuming you aren't black) to watch a Spurs game.

Now suppose on your way home you notice a 200 poundish black guy in his late 20's staring at you and then following you on your way home.

Now suppose you turn onto the street your friend lives and you spot him again following you. You ask him why he's following you and he responds by askig you what are you doing in the neigborhood.

Is it possible you'd see this as him implying you don't belong in the neighborhood? Suppose you take a bit of an exception to his comment and tell him it's none of his business really after you realize he's just a civilian, not a cop or a security guard. Suppose he then says "Sir, you seem to be acting a bit su ious to me. Why don't you stay here until the police arrive. I called them and they are on their way to ask you a few questions".

What's your next action? Can anyone on here truthfully say (and obviously this is speculation, but I think this is a very reasonable possibility of how thngs transpired) that they would feel they should tell a complete stranger who hasn't identified himself to you as being a neighborhood watchman what they were doing and where they were going? Would there not be a voice inside you saying (uhh, I have no idea who this stranger is or what he wants, so it might not be a good idea to tell him where my friend lives)?

And if you found out someone had called the cops on you when all you were doing was going to a friend's house that you wouldn't be at the least vey upset?

If I had someone following me, I would place a call to the police. I can handle myself, but the laws are less forgiving in Oregon than in Florida.

I had something similar happen a few years back, but I was in a car. Turned out we both called the police on each other.

This hypothetical Black area that I'm walking in. Was there a recent rash of burglaries committed by whites?

[jack sommerset]

Looks like many prayers have been answered. Zimmerman is out. God bless

[Trill Clinton]

Suppose you are walking in a predominantly black neighborhood late at night visiting a friend (I'm assuming you aren't black) to watch a Spurs game.

Now suppose on your way home you notice a 200 poundish black guy in his late 20's staring at you and then following you on your way home.

Now suppose you turn onto the street your friend lives and you spot him again following you. You ask him why he's following you and he responds by askig you what are you doing in the neigborhood.

Is it possible you'd see this as him implying you don't belong in the neighborhood? Suppose you take a bit of an exception to his comment and tell him it's none of his business really after you realize he's just a civilian, not a cop or a security guard. Suppose he then says "Sir, you seem to be acting a bit su ious to me. Why don't you stay here until the police arrive. I called them and they are on their way to ask you a few questions".

What's your next action? Can anyone on here truthfully say (and obviously this is speculation, but I think this is a very reasonable possibility of how thngs transpired) that they would feel they should tell a complete stranger who hasn't identified himself to you as being a neighborhood watchman what they were doing and where they were going? Would there not be a voice inside you saying (uhh, I have no idea who this stranger is or what he wants, so it might not be a good idea to tell him where my friend lives)?

And if you found out someone had called the cops on you when all you were doing was going to a friend's house that you wouldn't be at the least vey upset?

Great question, unfortunately the pro-zimmerman posters will not give you a honest answer because it makes their defense of zimmerman look questionable.

[bobbyjoe]

If I had someone following me, I would place a call to the police. I can handle myself, but the laws are less forgiving in Oregon than in Florida.

I had something similar happen a few years back, but I was in a car. Turned out we both called the police on each other.

This hypothetical Black area that I'm walking in. Was there a recent rash of burglaries committed by whites?

- To make this a better analogy, let's say that yes there was a recent rash of burglaries committed by whites. However, you are visiting a friend in a different city than the one you live in and you only occasionally visit this neighborhood so let's suppose you aren't privy to that information.

- For arguments sake, let's say that the guy was close enough to you that you went ahead and made a call to the police and they told you "OK, we'll be right over, but it does usually take us 3-5 minutes or so to get to your location" and you run into the man following you before the police arrive. What would you do then if he started questioning you about what you were doing in the neighborhood and told you to stay put until the cops got there to confirm you weren't in the process of committing a crime?

[Wild Cobra]

What would you do then if he started questioning you about what you were doing in the neighborhood and told you to stay put until the cops got there to confirm you weren't in the process of committing a crime?

LOL...

That's really laughable.

I would laugh in has face and walk away, but tell him I was visiting. I wouldn't give him any more information that what is enough to diffuse the situation. I wouldn't escalate it. I would call the police if I thought it necessary. I most certainly wouldn't do anything to escalate a situation with someone of unknown ability in hand to hand, or weaponry, with no witnesses. I have however in public places!

LOL...

Do you really think Zimmerman said something like that to Martin?

[bobbyjoe]

Absolutely something to that effect I think is a strong possibility. I'm not sure why it's so laughable when the lead detective told Zimmerman a witness had told him the reason for the altercation is that Martin was trying to resist being illegally detained.

Zimmerman was 100% convinced Martin was a criminal. , he even kept referring to Martin as "the suspect" in the interrogation room the night he shot him. He didn't want him to get away.

I can't imagine a scenario in which Zimmerman would take Martin at his word that he was just visiting if TM was to hypothetically laugh in his face and walk away as you suggest. That only works if the guy lets you walk away without escalating the situation.

Given that Zimmerman was convinced Trayon was a criminal, how do you think he'd have reacted if Trayvon told him "I'm just going home to watch the allstar game". Do you really think he'd just walk away and say "Oh, ok. Enjoy the game. Go West!?!"

Something had to have happened to escalate the situation. Mentally stable people don't just attack total strangers out of the blue.

Let's flip the script. Suppose you were Zimmerman and convinced the guy was a criminal. What would you say to him when you crossed paths?

PS. Let's also remember that Zimmerman shot Travyon 60 feet from the T intersection that he claims the fight started at. The shooting took place 60 feet closer to where Trayvon's dad's GF lived. So, to your point about walking away, it could well be that Trayvon tried to get away from George and go home (perhaps after swinging at him or arguing with him or seeing his gun) but George wasn't cool with that and chased him. One witness has said she saw 2 folks running and one in pursuit. It would all explain why the body was mysteriously found 60 feet from where they allegedly started to fight...

[Wild Cobra]

Absolutely something to that effect I think is a strong possibility. I'm not sure why it's so laughable when the lead detective told Zimmerman a witness had told him the reason for the altercation is that Martin was trying to resist being illegally detained.

Zimmerman was 100% convinced Martin was a criminal. , he even kept referring to Martin as "the suspect" in the interrogation room the night he shot him. He didn't want him to get away.

I can't imagine a scenario in which Zimmerman would take Martin at his word that he was just visiting if TM was to hypothetically laugh in his face and walk away as you suggest. That only works if the guy lets you walk away without escalating the situation.

Given that Zimmerman was convinced Trayon was a criminal, how do you think he'd have reacted if Trayvon told him "I'm just going home to watch the allstar game". Do you really think he'd just walk away and say "Oh, ok. Enjoy the game. Go West!?!"

Something had to have happened to escalate the situation. Mentally stable people don't just attack total strangers out of the blue.

Let's flip the script. Suppose you were Zimmerman and convinced the guy was a criminal. What would you say to him when you crossed paths?

Look, if there is merit to Zimmerman attempting to restrain Martin with su ion and not probable cause, then I agree there is cause to convict Zimmerman. I just don't believe that was the case.