2012 Free Agent: Marcus Camby

[timvp]

Marc Berman ‏@NYPost_Berman

Nets, San Antonio and maybe Dallas also in mix for Camby. Told that Knicks as "frontrunner" too strong a term.

Well maybe the Knicks aren't about to land him

[gambit1990]

He's not the youngest player already. OKC took the p&r away and Splitter was basically useless out there. He has no jumper, little back to the basket game. he's good defensively but isn't great.

[therealtruth]

Did you watch the WCF? Splitter could not do 1 thing once they took the p&r away. Dude couldn't even effectively back down Fisher on the block when OKC started all that switching on the screens . It was pretty embarrassing.

Even Bonner plays well during the regular season against the Kings and all the other scrubs.

Splitter can not play with his back to the basket against good defensive big men. Not even close, and tbh not many players these days can.

I made that clear in my comment he wasn't anywhere as good on the low block as he was earlier in the season. How do you expect him to improve on the low block with Pop restricting him to a pick and roll player?

[Sense]

People have short memory. There was a point in the season where Splitter was more than a pick and roll player and could actually score on the low block. McHale being a big man coach would recognize his potential on the low block and try playing through him.

You're saying he has the potential to dominate like the 3 guys below? No.

Those sorts of claims always make me laugh. Last year, there were 3 guys in the entire NBA who averaged 20 and 10:

Kevin Love -- 26.0 PPG, 13.3 RPG
Blake Griffin -- 20.7, 10.9
Dwight Howard -- 20.6, 14.5

Since 2008, there are only 7 guys that have pulled off 20/10 seasons: Chris Bosh (x2), Blake Griffin, Dwight Howard (x2), Al Jefferson, David Lee, Kevin Love, Zach Randolph (x3).

In fact, there are only 16 guys in the entire league who even managed 15 and 8 last season.

I thought it was between 3-5, but honestly was too lazy to look it up. makes that look even worse. It's hard enough that you have to average 20 points, not even Tony Parker finished with that in our team.. but somehow McHale is supposed to turn Splitter into an All-Star

[Josepatches_]

Splitter is a 15-10 player

He played bad in the WCF but Spurs did the same. Plus Pop was awful too.

[Bruno]

Yeah, I'm not super high on Camby. If that's the way the Spurs want to go, I'd only approve if they get a good return from the Rockets. Otherwise, the downgrade from Splitter to Camby is too large -- especially when you factor in Splitter potentially improving in the next couple years and Camby potentially falling off a cliff.

My issue is that Camby and Duncan are damn old. They might be fine for this season but what about after that?

For the 2013-2014 playoffs, Duncan will 38 years old and Camby 40 years old. I highly doubt it will work. So, if Spurs trade away Splitter this summer, they will need to add a quality center next summer which won't be easy. The most logical would be to keep Splitter.

[objective]

Trading Splitter to get Camby and whatever tweener forward the Rockets would be willing to dump would be the worst trade since Scola.

The Spurs have just about wasted 2 years of Splitter's cheap contract. Asik has made it clear, backups will still get paid big money. Hiding Splitter on the bench because it wouldn't be fair to the team to give him extended time next to Duncan during the meaningless regular season won't keep his price down.

[timvp]

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[Hoops Czar]

My issue is that Camby and Duncan are damn old. They might be fine for this season but what about after that?

For the 2013-2014 playoffs, Duncan will 38 years old and Camby 40 years old. I highly doubt it will work. So, if Spurs trade away Splitter this summer, they will need to add a quality center next summer which won't be easy. The most logical would be to keep Splitter.

You make a play for Josh Smith.

[DPG21920]

My issue is that Camby and Duncan are damn old. They might be fine for this season but what about after that?

For the 2013-2014 playoffs, Duncan will 38 years old and Camby 40 years old. I highly doubt it will work. So, if Spurs trade away Splitter this summer, they will need to add a quality center next summer which won't be easy. The most logical would be to keep Splitter.

Is the future that big of an issue - at least with regards to Tiago? I think the Spurs are trying to win now (next two years) while reubuilding during/after that. If you are going to win now, getting a guy who Pop feels can play next to Tim has to be the highest priority. Tiago and Tim are not going to play together and if you can use Tiago to get something where there is someone Pop feels good about next to Tim, then I think you have to do it.

Also, when the rebuild starts, is Tiago so good that he is a cornerstone of your future?

I think Camby can play next to Tim, so I don't see why they would be forced to move Tiago either.

[DPG21920]

I am not saying Camby is worth Tiago in a bubble (it would truly depend on who the Spurs got back in a deal), but I get the logic.

[Bruno]

Is the future that big of an issue - at least with regards to Tiago? I think the Spurs are trying to win now (next two years) while reubuilding during/after that. If you are going to win now, getting a guy who Pop feels can play next to Tim has to be the highest priority. Tiago and Tim are not going to play together and if you can use Tiago to get something where there is someone Pop feels good about next to Tim, then I think you have to do it.

Also, when the rebuild starts, is Tiago so good that he is a cornerstone of your future?

If Duncan wants to play till "the wheels fall off". Spurs will need a damn good center in couple of years when Tim will play even more limited minutes. A 40 years old Camby isn't that guy. I would go easily with Diaw over them.

Regarding Houston, I don't see a single player among all their PFs who could be very good alongside Duncan as soon as next season.

[DPG21920]

Why do you think Camby means you can't have Tiago? Camby and Tim can start, which means Tiago can be in his same role - Tim's backup.

[Bruno]

Why do you think Camby means you can't have Tiago? Camby and Tim can start, which means Tiago can be in his same role - Tim's backup.

I don't really see the interest of getting Camby to play him out of position.

[pad300]

Yeah, I'm not super high on Camby. If that's the way the Spurs want to go, I'd only approve if they get a good return from the Rockets. Otherwise, the downgrade from Splitter to Camby is too large -- especially when you factor in Splitter potentially improving in the next couple years and Camby potentially falling off a cliff.

I still think the first thing the Spurs need to do outside of Duncan is bring back Diaw. He fits well and gives the Spurs a pretty damn high ceiling, relatively speaking.

Don't know about Camby << Splitter. Some stats geeks would argue the point extensively:

http://www.thenbageek.com/players/co...%93&player_ids[]=277&player_ids[]=311


Splitter is much more potent offensively, but the way the Spurs have been rolling on O this season, I'm not sure we need a strong offensive presence. Camby is very strong defensively.

My issue is that Camby and Duncan are damn old. They might be fine for this season but what about after that?

For the 2013-2014 playoffs, Duncan will 38 years old and Camby 40 years old. I highly doubt it will work. So, if Spurs trade away Splitter this summer, they will need to add a quality center next summer which won't be easy. The most logical would be to keep Splitter.

When either Duncan or Gino retire, we are done as contenders for a while. I expect them to trade Tony for assets at that point. To do a rebuild to contender status for a franchise that does not attract big free-agents pretty much means following our own model (which has since been validated by the Thunder) - crash and get top level draft picks...Having Splitter and Tony around would just put us in that making up the numbers zone for the playoffs that the Bucks, for example, have got themselves caught in.

If we can get something like Camby, Leuer (or Patterson maybe) and say 2014 and 2016 first round picks for Splitter and Bonner (or Blair), it's a good deal in the short run, and may be a great deal wrt the rebuilding job that starts in 2014-15...

If we pull something like this, the key is what do we do with the MLE and BAE. Kirilenko for 3 years of the MLE and Diaw for the BAE (I really don't think Diaw is going to get good offers at 30, given his performance when shown the money before...) would be great.

[DPG21920]

I don't really see the interest of getting Camby to play him out of position.

Tim Duncan is a PF

[Slippy]

Some spurs fans getting excited about grandpa Camby for Splitter. Crazy-talk. Must be starving for a deal. The only way it would happen is if there's a sweetner for the Spurs because the spurs would giving away a pretty good bigman who simply needs more action.

Hopefully the FO arn't that stupid. Actually im pretty sure they aren't.

[racm]

Tiago has amazing per 36 stats tbh

Only problems are his FT shooting and PT

Isn't he also one of the most efficient roll men?

[Mel_13]

If we can get something like Camby, Leuer (or Patterson maybe) and say 2014 and 2016 first round picks for Splitter and Bonner (or Blair), it's a good deal in the short run, and may be a great deal wrt the rebuilding job that starts in 2014-15...

Houston is in the business of collecting draft picks to pursue their Howard dreams.

Any S&T involving Camby will not see draft picks leaving Houston. The trade will see draft picks headed to the Rockets.

[Slippy]

He's not the youngest player already. OKC took the p&r away and Splitter was basically useless out there. He has no jumper, little back to the basket game. he's good defensively but isn't great.

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This statement is not accurate, not even close . Pop took him out because of mistakes on the defensive end which made him useless since he sat on the bench. The heat of the moment (WC finals) got to both Pop and Splitter.

Did you watch the WCF? Splitter could not do 1 thing once they took the p&r away. Dude couldn't even effectively back down Fisher on the block when OKC started all that switching on the screens . It was pretty embarrassing.

Even Bonner plays well during the regular season against the Kings and all the other scrubs.

Splitter can not play with his back to the basket against good defensive big men. Not even close, and tbh not many players these days can.

Gotta ask is that all you remember of Splitter from the WC finals? Seriously, you are focusing on 1 play and hanging him on it. Splitter wouldn't be the first big to have the master flopper in Fisher win out in the post. How did the rest of his teammates do on switches? You remember what happened the second time he got a post attempt on a switch? Lets not worry about how well he played the first 2 rounds of the plays-offs. Nah, lets just nail Splitter for that one play.

Again, to re-itterate Pop took Splitter out of games because of mistakes on the defensive end (help defense and not doubling on time) which i thought were knee-jerk considering how many the rest of the bigs not named Duncan gotten away with. The WC finals was his first real test in the play-offs. Keep in mind the spurs went away from splitter in the post for most of the second half of the regular season. When he did get the ball there, he looked out of sync. That falls on POP.

To find a parallel with Bonner on regular season form is just laughable. You should be embarrassed at your post.

[Mel_13]

Splitter had a fine season and it's reasonable to expect more production with more minutes. The key question with regard to Splitter is whether or not the Spurs regard him as a 10M/yr player beginning in 2013, because with marginal improvement over last season that's a reasonable guess as to what he will get as a free agent next summer.

If not, then trading him this summer makes sense just as trading George Hill last summer was the right move.

[JonNOKC]

Bottom line in regard to Splitter Pop and FO have to ask themselves two questions

1. Are they willing to give Splitter the 8-11 million a year contract market will likely demand next year depending on his level of play this coming year?

2. Is POP ready to be 100% committed to give him his minutes and allow him to play through his mistakes, and ups and downs

If you can't answer yes to both questions Spurs should try and move Splitter and Houston is a logical partner given the amount of PF on roster

[AFBlue]

Splitter had a fine season and it's reasonable to expect more production with more minutes. The key question with regard to Splitter is whether or not the Spurs regard him as a 10M/yr player beginning in 2013, because with marginal improvement over last season that's a reasonable guess as to what he will get as a free agent next summer.

If not, then trading him this summer makes sense just as trading George Hill last summer was the right move.

Mel with the solid breakdown as usual.

[Wild Cobra Kai]

Houston is in the business of collecting draft picks to pursue their Howard dreams.

Any S&T involving Camby will not see draft picks leaving Houston. The trade will see draft picks headed to the Rockets.

Splitter is a more solid asset to move to Orlando than most first round picks, even most lottery picks.

[smaka]

I wouldn' give draft picks for this old man, no way. Send a f'n Bonner, Neal, Blair, just leave picks with us.