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Every franchise has re s, Lakers, Spurs, Knicks, T-Wolves, etc
Trying to hide the fact you're obese as by using weight/height ratios of professional fighters
'They're 5'11 220 and not obese therefor neither am!'
Every franchise has re s, Lakers, Spurs, Knicks, T-Wolves, etc
Live fast and die young. All the burritos and chimichangas I want! Thats livin imo.
I wouldn't want either player, tbh..
Danny Green is the most overrated player on ST..he's a slightly above average defender that feasted against weak compe ion, in addition to an injured Chris Paul..he has minimal ability to create his own offense, over 75% of his shot attempts are assisted, mostly open shots, and he choked under the first sign of pressure..he's a system player that fluctuated in accordance to the successful Spurs regular season system..
Mayo is a poor defensive player, he's probably the worst defensive player on the Grizzlies, even worse than Gay, tbh..he has been one of the worst perimeter defenders in the NBA since entering the league, tbh..his defensive RAPM is usually at -2 or worse, which is an atrocious number..
He's inefficient and his shot selection is poor..he still has potential, but it doesn't appear that he's going to reach his peak..
I still like the signing for Dallas, but there have been much worse takes from Spurs fans than the OP..
Sup harlem
Exactly. Acting like Green v Mayo is some Kobe v Bonner argument is silly. I also love how we've learned that if you are arguing players, you can't use roles, advanced stats or actual stats. It's basically name recognition and eyeball tests FTW.
They are both lower end role players at this point which is why I thought it was hilarious that non-Spur fan was up in arms about the comparison. When you delve into it, OJ hasn't done anything of note, is statistically proven to be one of the worst defenders in the league at his position and for a shooter he can't really shoot. It's not laughable to say you'd rather have Green than Mayo especially if you bring systems into the equation.
If you want upside (even though he's been in the league for over 4 years now) and a guy who can chuck it on his own without getting assisted for a bargain bin price, you go OJ. If you are looking for a more well rounded system player who has defensive abilities for a good price, you go DG.
It is hilarious how Mav fan can talk about Spur fan overrating their guy when they fail to see OJ has woefully underperformed (especially when you factor in his draft spot and who he was traded for *Love*) and been cut from his team essentially and then offered less money than Danny Green, Novak, Ian Mahinmi and many others. OJ has potential, but he has not done any thing of note and appears on a bad path and is not thought that highly of by anyone in the league it seems (including the team that looked at him everyday for 4 years).
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use mayo's first 2 years in the league for comparison since he was disgruntled and misused the last 2. then factor in the potential and act like fact that mayo is coming even slightly cheaper and tell me that the signings are anywhere near equal with a straight face.Exactly. Acting like Green v Mayo is some Kobe v Bonner argument is silly. I also love how we've learned that if you are arguing players, you can't use roles, advanced stats or actual stats
Mavs stealing from out farm team
. Awesome eyeball test, but not stats, advanced stats, roles or market value goods.
are you some sort of idiot? i said compare the stats from his first 2 seasons which are the more accurate representation of what he is capable of.
Is it just me or is DPG an idiot?
This thread just shows you that there isn't much difference between gnsf andknowledgeable
Hey! Throw out half his career because he was bad and then we'll talk!
No one is saying OJ sucks or that it is a bad signing. What people are saying that Mav fan is ignoring reality (was dropped by his team, has underperformed, is a chucker and his market value was less than a lot of average guys) and saying things like "Ignore half his career because he was sad
The entire point was to say that Mav fan can't point to show why it's so crazy to say you would rather have DG in some systems over OJ. I am not even arguing that it's a huge gap in favor of DG, just saying he's my preference for the Spurs. My entire position is that it's not a laughable position especially because OJ has not really done anything special (besides some nice flashes).
If that is true - why did Memphis, the team that saw him the closest, just cut ties? Why did no one line up to get him on their team? Why was he forced to sign with the M
Sure, if you look at only the players best moments and disregard his worst (especially when that is 50% of their career that has been on a downward trajectory) they will look more promising but it doesn't answer the questions above.
Again, you are getting so caught up in scoffing Spurs fans with doing no research and relying solely on faulty thinking, no stats and just an eyeball test/name recognition.
OJ was a good pick up for the Mavs. Danny is good for the Spurs. Saying you would rather have Danny over OJ on the Spurs isn't laughable. It would not be laughable to want OJ. Based on how they have played recently its a valid argument IMO. OJ definitely has more natural ability and I have said that since post 1. But that doesn't mean he automatically is heads and shoulders above Danny.
OJ may blossom and be the player yall act like he is (but really isn't yet). Then we will know. But if not, there will be more excuses and it is exactly the JR Smith line of thought when arguing about him.
Given their draft slots, Mayo has under achieved while DG has over achieved. If you were dishing out 4 million for a roster spot who would you sign?
They are both marginal players on teams that have better players, but one has proven to fit a system better than the other.
If you're looking for a system guy that will appreciate his role you go with Danny Green. If you're looking for a guy who will play hard and try to spark your team you go with Mayo.
Neither is the hero or goat. Neither is worth more or less than what they are getting.
They are both just role players who's roles are different because of their particular skill set.
DG fits well in SA and Mayo might fit well on the Mavs.
You're going way out of your way to convince me of something that you're never going to convince me of
The "eyeball test" as you put it allowed me to be right about them spurs and heat as well as just about every other playoff series this year. I do use stats but I don't feel that this one is quantifiable. OJ has been misused and was disgruntled these past 2 years IMO, and that speaks nothing as to his true potential. We all already know what Danny Green's potential is. Comparing a Spot up shooter to a guy who has the ability to create his own shot and make plays is flawed. Also, Mayo probably isn't truly worth only 4 mil. The consensus here was that he was worth about 8-9 mil. The FO did good on this one.
I'm surprised Spurfan isn't defending Mayo more seeing as how he helped the Grizz defeat the
How bout we just end this really simply, let's make a permanent ELE bet on who will have the better season coming up. I'm just undecided on how we will determine who had the better year without you trying to flip flop out of it.
They like to change their stances on subjects to fit their argument needs tbh
There's some truth to him being unhappy in MEM... IIRC, he got his ass kicked by Tony Allen after losing a bet, which ended up in a suspension or some like that...
But at the same time, he was an integral part of a MEM team that made the playoffs the last two seasons, including considerable long times with Rudy or Zach hurt.
I know what we can do, I will go to a neutral board at years end like Real GM where there isn't rampant trolling and create a poll. There people will give their honest votes and analyzation. Whoever is losing the poll after 1 week is gone for good. You in?
I think the prevailing excuse for that is now Manu's injury.I'm surprised Spurfan isn't defending Mayo more seeing as how he helped the Grizz defeat the
So the Grizz didn't do anything special, I guess, because it doesn't count when you beat a team when one of their best players is injured (even though he was injured for like 4 years in a row).
You're going way out of your way to convince me of something that you're never going to convince me of
The "eyeball test" as you put it allowed me to be right about them spurs and heat as well as just about every other playoff series this year. I do use stats but I don't feel that this one is quantifiable. OJ has been misused and was disgruntled these past 2 years IMO, and that speaks nothing as to his true potential. We all already know what Danny Green's potential is. Comparing a Spot up shooter to a guy who has the ability to create his own shot and make plays is flawed. Also, Mayo probably isn't truly worth only 4 mil. The consensus here was that he was worth about 8-9 mil. The FO did good on this one.
How do we know what Danny's potential is but not OJ's when Danny is the same age and been in the league less time? That makes absolutely no sense and it agains shows you just using name recognition. You didn't watch Danny Green with any sort of regularity. You don't dig deep to go look past the obvious.
You are also looking at one side of the ball. It's statistical fact that OJ is a very below average defender and Danny is at least above average. While that doesn't make Danny elite on that end, it certainly has him above OJ by a decent margin (even if you think DG's defense is overrated).
Also, DG, while not as talented overall as OJ is far from "just a spot up shooter". He actually has a very solid handle and is a pretty damn good passer off the dribble. He's not an elite finisher off the dribble, but he's not Matt Bonner level of "just a spot up shooter".
If OJ was worth 8-9M, he would have signed a contract worth that much. It makes no sense to take less years/money to play for the Mavs. The fact he was not highly sought after by teams should tell you something. Not saying the Mavs didn't do a good job at getting him, but he wasn't coveted highly at all.
Wrong and you know it, not even worth further acknowledging or debating.
Either you take the bet or you don't, that's all I'm interested in.
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