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You really get hung up on definitions and by asking for more definitions you are definitely playing this game.
He's probably a soccer fan.
You really get hung up on definitions and by asking for more definitions you are definitely playing this game.
Not qualified yet. And no I don't have the necessary information at the tip of my brain.
It doesn't automatically mean someone is mentally ill, but he sure shows symptoms of it by his actions (for example, shooting a baby point blank in the face).Does committing this act automatically mean you're mentally ill? I don't believe it does, but I honestly don't know for sure.
Not arguing anything or what his verdict should be, yet. As the information comes in, the picture will be painted more colorfully.Are you arguing that he should not suffer punishment for these crimes and instead be placed in a mental ins ution until such time as he is not considered dangerous?
That's entirely dependent on the Judge and the Jury, and how they apply the sanity/insanity assessment to the individual.Because thats what would happen if he's found insane by the court (chances of that happening are non existent)
Last edited by TE; 07-20-2012 at 07:08 PM.
You tell me, doc.
Something to consider: "While no psychiatric or psychological organization has sanctioned a diagnosis of "psychopathy" itself, assessments of psychopathy are widely used in criminal justice settings in some nations and may have important consequences for individuals. The term is also used by the general public, in popular press, and there are many fictional portrayals. This popular usage does not necessarily conform to the clinical concept. According to the Scientific American, although psychopathy is associated with and in some cases is defined by conduct problems, criminality or violence, many psychopaths are not violent, and psychopaths are, despite the similar names, rarely psychotic."
I'm not getting hung up on definitions, rhetorical guy. This is a discussion. Not an argument or debate. You fail to obviously see that it's not an argument, I'm not surprised by that.
The legal definition has a lot to do with whether the defendant knew the difference between right and wrong at the time of the crime. With so much apparent preparation and coolness in execution, it's going to be very difficult to prove this piece of legally insane.
Wrong. Reading comprehension is not one of your strong suits.
He clearly stated that someone had been shot on sight in front of him when he was younger. This was a reason that he now carries a weapon. He stated that he would have shot the guy. Understandable considering his past.
Always trying to mischaracterize everything you read. You really should pause before posting-especially when you already have a dislike or a prejudice of the poster you are attacking. You already made that clear regarding that poster in one of your earlier posts in this thread.
@TE If you don't feel you have enough information to make the decision then you're basically saying the exact same thing I did. Its likely based on his actions he has some sort of condition/disorder/whatever but its also possible that he doesn't.
I only play a psychiatric legal expert on the web and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, but I said its flat out impossible he gets an insanity plea. IMO.
Right, he said that he would have certainly killed that guy in the midst of a chaotic and crowded theater and been a real-life, tough guy hero. No doubt in his mind.
These are his words, you idiot liar. You didn't even post them because you are a liar. It's too bad you are a liar, especially since you are so easily exposed as one.Always trying to mischaracterize everything you read. You really should pause before posting-especially when you already have a dislike or a prejudice of the poster you are attacking. You already made that clear regarding that poster in one of your earlier posts in this thread.
Legally, the more I read about it, you're right.
Show me where he specifically stated he would be a hero. In fact he stated on another post that had he killed the guy there would have been nothing heroic about it.
Who's lying now?
Yeah, I'll reserve judgment, but I can't jump to the conclusion that he's really insane.
It's interesting that very few mass killers like this piece of survive their crimes. I can't even think of one in the US.
[emoticon] Like no one would have considered him a hero if that had happened.
Add "delusional" to your list.
Jared Lee Loughner
You have to be a little crazy (the full extend of the word) to be able to do this, no doubt.
He even booby trapped his apartment to blow.
Doesn't sound like someone with a right mind.
No disrespect, but it's not about being trained in firearms. It's about being trained and up to date in combat hard training and scenario based training.
There used to be a place in South Texas called Thunder Ranch. There you would shoot thousands of rounds and go through situational exercises.
So you can hit a target, can you identify the target that's not necessarily at the end of a range, that's moving, that's shooting, at night, after running... oh... 100 yards? What's your accuracy like then?
Even with the training, when the real thing happens, will you recognize it's happening and will you act? Will you pull the trigger or will the consequence of "what if I'm wrong?" keep you from even drawing your gun? Will you think "maybe I can get out alive, maybe I can talk to this guy, maybe I can hide, maybe someone else will do something"?
Again, no disrespect, but it's not just about shooting ability.
True, I was thinking further back to see if there was any people with histories and explanations that were more fleshed out.
Chumpie, I want you to specifically point to the word HERO in this post. I don't see it and since you called me a liar- we should see who is the real liar here.
I may have missed it. Show me in this post of his-- or stfu because you made that word up.
Actually, he's full of .
Only took me one post to realized how pompous and self centered this guy mingus is.
You see him brag about how much money he makes.
It's e-impressive
some people just want to watch the world burn and make people suffer. He knew what he was doing. I don't think this guy was insane at all, or had disorder of any kind. Just a pure evil, diabolical cowardly son of who took out his anger on innocent people. Labeling a mental disorder/inanity, is letting people like him off the hook. Kinda like people who label alcoholism as disease, and don't wanna take responsibility for their actions. I'm surprised no one punched the prick as he was getting arrested.
Again, if there existed a full-on medical diagnosis, this POS would have been diagnosed with every possible applicable mental illness. It really doesn't matter since this is a legal issue.
Legally, from the little I've read, it depends on if the person was acting in accordance to what he deemed was right and wrong. Dressing up and telling police officers he was joker more than likely will be labeled as sane by the court. In other words, he knew what he was doing.
Again, that's more a matter of definition. I hope he at least tries to explain his actions in his own words and it doesn't get lost in a bunch of legal wrangling. Might give some insight -- definitely no excuses -- but possible reasons other than a blanket "he's crazy."
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