more thoughts..Talia Al Ghul was completely pointless and her role in the end only annoyed me, and I felt, took away from Bane. Her presence only served to prop up a half baked love triangle between Bruce, her, and Catwoman that didn't really need to be there and when they explained her backstory, I got pissed. yes, I know Talia is Ra's Al Ghul's daughter in all other batman media. That is all well and good, but when you build up Bane as a guy that A) Was born and raised in & fought his way out of The Pit and B) The Son of Ra's Al Ghul & was so twisted that not even his anarchistic father wanted anything to do with him, and then to reveal at the very end that he's pretty much just a lackey was VERY annoying. they took someone who was an uninteresting character all the way through the movie, and made her the main bad guy right at the tail end in a twist that was so obvious I was praying for it not to happen, and it was done at the expense of the main villain. And then right after that happens, Bane gets killed like a punk and then Talia dies like 3 minutes later. So what was the point of her? What was the point of that lame twist? Why couldn't Bane just be Ra's demented fallen son? I would have gone with it! Its not like the comics, but I would have gone with that over the Talia angle they shoehorned in at the end.