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    You have to wonder if that's what delaying Drew being offered an extension...

    they're gonna try and extend Bynum..he'll say no because he wants a 5th yr...but we're ed if we sign him to Max deal..Bynum is looking for a max deal and he isn't worth but they'll pay it to prevent from losing him..Pau will gone and Kobe will be playing at a reduced rate so it won't hurt as bad...but Bynum will suck ass in 3 more yrs...he won't be getting any better IMHO...

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    nope..I think we're 20 over plus another 20-30 in Lux tax penalties if not mistaken
    You're mistaken. Look it up.

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    Howard's max salary he can sign for will be $20.22 million.
    yeah, to clear that much room they would need to wipe gasol and move metta for some picks... not that they wouldn't do it...

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    I think the Magic's contract situation is grossly overblown here. Back when they had Lewis/Arenas and Turkoglu was inked longterm, yes, they were in a horrible situation financially. But now Hedo is the only bad contract on the team and it only has two years left. On top of that, they have one of the 3 or 4 richest owners in the league, so he can take a bit of a salary hit in the short term to keep from crippling the franchise in the long term by straight salary dumps without good assets coming back right now.

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    Except if the deals aren't good now, there is not a whole lot of hope about them improving. Not to mention you have this massive cloud hanging over your franchise with no direction to start the season and massive distractions.
    Then they get a high lottery pick and that may be part of the plan. If they view this as a lost season, then there is no down side to waiting it out.

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    yeah, to clear that much room they would need to wipe gasol and move metta for some picks... not that they wouldn't do it...
    That still doesn't get them $20 million in capspace unless the league has a really profitable year next season and the salary cap shoots up significantly.

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    Right now the Laker's "large" contracts for next season look like this (according to sham):
    - Kobe: $28m
    - Gasol: $19m
    - Nash: $9m
    - Metta: $7m
    - Blake: $4m

    That's a total of $67 million... Salary cap will likely be $60 million.

    So they would need to wipe around $27 million to both get under the cap and be able to offer a max deal...

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    Him leaving for garbage leaves a massive cloud over the Magic's season too. It's inevitable that next year is going to be a very dark year in Orlando Magic history. They have absolutely nothing they can use to rebuild other than Howard, so they can't blink and take a bad offer.
    dude I didn't think anyone but could that insensitive to moral truth (look up the Hebrew meaning for that statement)

    It's not like Miami is offering Lebron and Wade, or LA is offering Dwight and Pau, or OKC is offering Durant and Westbrook....is that the "good" deal you're looking for you... it ain't happening..therefore every offer will be bad...you can't get a good deal out of angry Superstar..you're always in the losing position..just depends on how long you want to prolong that misery

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    ^ I meant Bynum and Pau

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    I take that back... Salary cap might be $60m at best... that's $27m they need to clear... might not be enough with Metta+Gasol... they would need to get rid of Blake too...

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    The other question is... are the Lakers better with just Dwight vs Bynum-Gasol?

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    Kobe is due $30.5 million in 2013-14. Nash $9.3 million. Blake $4.0 million. $4.4 million cap hit for 9 contracts under 12. That leaves them $13.8 million under a $62 million cap by amnestying Gasol and salary dumping Artest. Not even close to what Howard will want.

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    Him leaving for garbage leaves a massive cloud over the Magic's season too. It's inevitable that next year is going to be a very dark year in Orlando Magic history. They have absolutely nothing they can use to rebuild other than Howard, so they can't blink and take a bad offer.
    Not really - you eliminate the distraction, the horrific drama and team morale and you get direction.

    They are getting a bad offer (if you think what is offered now is bad) because there is no reason for teams to up their offer the longer ORL waits IMO.

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    Kobe is due $30.5 million in 2013-14. Nash $9.3 million. Blake $4.0 million. $4.4 million cap hit for 9 contracts under 12. That leaves them $13.8 million under a $62 million cap.
    Oh .. I was looking at the 2012-2013 column

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    Not really - you eliminate the distraction, the horrific drama and team morale and you get direction.

    They are getting a bad offer (if you think what is offered now is bad) because there is no reason for teams to up their offer the longer ORL waits IMO.
    Denver got more for Melo by waiting.

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    Then they get a high lottery pick and that may be part of the plan. If they view this as a lost season, then there is no down side to waiting it out.
    How does keeping Dwight help them tank? And I get their cap is not bad. But why not dump whatever you can? If they did 3 way they get 2 teams to eat their remaining bad contracts. They deal with Houston you force them to at least eat two. I don't blame them for negotiating, but I do think waiting for trade deadline is unwise.

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    Not really - you eliminate the distraction, the horrific drama and team morale and you get direction.

    They are getting a bad offer (if you think what is offered now is bad) because there is no reason for teams to up their offer the longer ORL waits IMO.
    Do you think Howard is dead serious about extending nowhere? Because that's the only way your argument that offers won't get better makes sense.

    Also, how good was team morale in Cleveland the year after LeBron left?

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    The other question is... are the Lakers better with just Dwight vs Bynum-Gasol?
    More future proof, Gasol is old and even if Bynum stays healthy his knee won't hold up to his late 20s well.

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    Do you think Howard is dead serious about extending nowhere? Because that's the only way your argument that offers won't get better makes sense.

    Also, how good was team morale in Cleveland the year after LeBron left?
    I'm sure the morale was better than if he would have stayed and created the circus that Dwight has.

    So you think the pressure of hitting FA will get so great on DH by the approaching trade deadline that he will agree to sign an extension and teams will up their offers? That doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

    Just thinking logically - if teams truly believed what you are saying, wouldn't they make their best offer to just get Dwigth now knowing he's all about the money and will sign an extension to keep that money regardless of where he plays? If a team is wanting confirmation that Dwight will re-sign, it's because the GM's legitimately think he will walk in FA if traded there.

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    Do you think Howard is dead serious about extending nowhere? Because that's the only way your argument that offers won't get better makes sense.

    Also, how good was team morale in Cleveland the year after LeBron left?

    You sound like a child consulting his daddy...man up !!! Have some pride

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    Denver got more for Melo by waiting.
    Melo's top desitination had a lot more assets than Dwights. Melo also said he would extend in NY so they could afford to cough up more. Like CP3 agreeing to opt in to another year for LA.

    Dwight is not doing that.

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    Denver got more for Melo by waiting.
    Melo wasn't the distraction/headache Dwight was publicly and privately.

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    Or to even take it a step further - if Dwight's all about the money, ORL shouldn't trade him because he will be forced to sign with ORL for more money.

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    Alex Kennedy: Orlando Magic general manager Rob Hennigan and his staff are currently meeting with Dwight Howard in Los Angeles, according to sources. 2 minutes ago


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    How does keeping Dwight help them tank? And I get their cap is not bad. But why not dump whatever you can? If they did 3 way they get 2 teams to eat their remaining bad contracts. They deal with Houston you force them to at least eat two. I don't blame them for negotiating, but I do think waiting for trade deadline is unwise.
    As I said, bad deals will be available at all points from now until the deadline. The only way to get a price they deem satisfactory is to play it out. In the end they may get less than what is on the table now, but selling now removes all possibility of a better deal.

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