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    On a historical timeline, slavery probably wouldn't be considered bigoted either...
    Swing and a miss

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    I'd hardly call the mainstream position of all societies in human history bigoted. Old fashioned, perhaps. Until only very recently, Obama held the same "bigoted" view.
    Banning gay marriage is inherently bigoted, B.... it is organized discrimination against a minority group.... in fact, it's not even a "seperate but equal" situation (which would be bad enough) as civil unions come with a shorter list of rights than marriages!

    Personally, I think the solution is to ascribe the same amount of rights that married couples currently hold to civil unions, then basically officially recognize all eligible couples as civil unions, tbh....

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    I'd hardly call the mainstream position of all societies in human history bigoted. Old fashioned, perhaps. Until only very recently, Obama held the same "bigoted" view.
    segregation... women's voting... all bigoted, all "mainstream" at some point in time...

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    Agreed.... that being said, the government should not be wasting time devoting a day to celebrating obvious bigotry, tbh....

    Chik-Fil-A does indeed have the right to voice bigoted opinions, and now they're facing the consequences in customer backlash, negative PR, and declining brand value, so I don't pity them at all.... they CHOSE to bring this upon themselves....
    I'm sure they'll be just fine.

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    There's also something to be said about the cowards that try to hide their phobia behind some deity.

    If they "sin" and won't "repent", then god already has them on his hitlist, no matter if you eat at Chick fil A or not...

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    segregation... women's voting... all bigoted, all "mainstream" at some point in time...
    These kind of comparisons diminish real civil rights issues. Again, I think gays should be allowed to marry.

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    These kind of comparisons diminish real civil rights issues. Again, I think gays should be allowed to marry.
    If gay marriage isn't a "real" civil rights issue, what is?

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    I'm sure they'll be just fine.

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    If gay marriage isn't a "real" civil rights issue, what is?
    If we think along these lines, then we need to desegregate bathrooms -- they obviously are discrinatory against people with gender iden y issues.

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    If we think along these lines, then we need to desegregate bathrooms -- they obviously are discrinatory against people with gender iden y issues.
    There's actually valid reasons to have men's and women's bathrooms that are more substantial then "the imaginary sky fairy said so in his book of fairy tales".... it isn't hurting anybody or infringing on anyone's liberty, property, or ability to thrive as productive members of society...

    Classic slippery slope fallacy, B...

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    There's actually valid reasons to have men's and women's bathrooms that are more substantial then "the imaginary sky fairy said so in his book of fairy tales".... it isn't hurting anybody or infringing on anyone's liberty, property, or ability to thrive as productive members of society...
    ??

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    If we think along these lines, then we need to desegregate bathrooms -- they obviously are discrinatory against people with gender iden y issues.
    They are.

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    These kind of comparisons diminish real civil rights issues. Again, I think gays should be allowed to marry.
    How do they "diminish real civil rights" when civil rights are exactly what's being denied to them?

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    Hey, when is Jane Fonda Appreciation Day? Didn't you guys hate all the vitriol she got for expressing her beliefs?

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    God doesn't hate the gays either, but He calls their lifestyle an abomination. Hate the sin, not the sinner.
    No doubt there will be gays living next door to you in your heavenly gated community.

    fwiw, God hates the non believer.

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    I'll ask this again because you dodged the question the first time...

    If gay marriage isn't a "real" civil rights issue, what is?

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    On a historical timeline, slavery probably wouldn't be considered bigoted either...
    I'll ask this again because you dodged the question the first time...
    Rights guaranteed by the Bill of Rights, the 13th and 14th, 15th and 19th Amendments to the Cons ution. Civil rights include civil liberties (such as the freedom of speech, press, assembly, and religion), as well as due process, the right to vote, equal and fair treatment by law enforcement and the courts, and the opportunity to enjoy the benefits of a democratic society, such as equal access to public schools, recreation, transportation, public facilities, and housing.
    Are gays denied these rights?

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    Think its just about hating on the gays?


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    Are gays denied these rights?
    They're denied equal and fair treatment under the law by not being allowed to marry, and they're denied many of the benefits that come with marriage, including joint tax returns, emergency medical decisions, sponsorship of spouses and family members for immigration, and federal protection....

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    They're denied equal and fair treatment under the law by not being allowed to marry, and they're denied many of the benefits that come with marriage, including joint tax returns, emergency medical decisions, sponsorship of spouses and family members for immigration, and federal protection....
    What if they were able to have all that without redefining the word?

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    What we're legally protecting the meaning of words now? Who are we, France??

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    What if they were able to have all that without redefining the word?
    I've already stated that the solution is to equalize civil unions and marriage, and then drop the formal distinction altogether and just call everything a civil union.... if a church wants to decide what can and can't be defined as a marriage, fine, but it's not the government's role to be the word police...

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    What if they were able to have all that without redefining the word?
    redefining what word?

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    I've already stated that the solution is to equalize civil unions and marriage, and then drop the formal distinction altogether and just call everything a civil union.... if a church wants to decide what can and can't be defined as a marriage, fine, but it's not the government's role to be the word police...
    Fine by me. Seems practical.

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    the new "proposal" -

    "darling, will you civil union me?"

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