York: When 1,099 felons vote in race won by 312 ballots
177 people have been convicted — not just accused, but convicted — of voting fraudulently in the Senate race. Another 66 are awaiting trial. “The numbers aren’t greater,” the authors say, “because the standard for convicting someone of voter fraud in Minnesota is that they must have been both ineligible, and ‘knowingly’ voted unlawfully.” The accused can get off by claiming not to have known they did anything wrong.
Still, that’s a total of 243 people either convicted of voter fraud or awaiting trial in an election that was decided by 312 votes. With 1,099 examples identified by Minnesota Majority, and with evidence suggesting that felons, when they do vote, strongly favor Democrats, it doesn’t require a leap to suggest there might one day be proof that Al Franken was elected on the strength of voter fraud.
And that’s just the question of voting by felons. Minnesota Majority also found all sorts of other irregularities that cast further doubt on the Senate results.
So, you're saying those were Republican felons voting in Minnesota?
I'm saying that that former GOP employee agrees that voter fraud has been perpetrated. I personally couldn't give two s about the race you posted about.
Comparing some guy who, if he hadn't dialed a number in another state wouldn't have a book, with Democrats' efforts to suppress votes?
And, I'm called a partisan hack.
For the second time, in just over a decade, Democrats are suing the a State to suppress military votes and this is what you raise in comparison?
Besides, people who need to be called before they cast their vote should just stay home...they haven't been paying attention to the issues.
Yeah, you're not partisan hack. You're THE partisan hack.
Note: Only one of us has defended any voter suppression by one party. The partisan hack.And, I'm called a partisan hack.
For the second time, in just over a decade, Democrats are suing the a State to suppress military votes and this is what you raise in comparison?
Besides, people who need to be called before they cast their vote should just stay home...they haven't been paying attention to the issues.
Actually, the OP was in response to those, in the forum, who claim voter fraud does not exist. This is one example of where it probably affected the outcome of a pivotal election.
I abhor it on both sides but, seriously, you're equating what that consultant (not GOP employee) did with what happened in Minnesota? With what's happening in Ohio? With vote buying in Kentucky?
Okay. I'm outraged! File charges on the guy and send him to prison...oh, wait, that happened. Did his scheme result in a change in election results?
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If that's easier for you than discussing the issues, cool.
Yeah, you're not partisan hack. You're THE partisan hack.
Good luck getting rid of vote fraud. When you're done with that you can get rid of world hunger, bullys, and sadness in general.
Let me know when there is large scale systematic vote fraud. Until then I'm not going to particularly care about isolated cases you bring up because it has always happend and it will always happen. Individuals cheat.
Not only a partisan hack, also a martyr!
Well, if Democrats would stop fighting efforts to rein in voter fraud, it'd be a lot easier.
I just give an example of how it doesn't need to be pervasive or widespread in order to have a huge impact and you move the goal post?
In 2000, Florida was decided by 157 votes.
Given what's happened in Minnesota, I can understand why the State would want to clear felons and other ineligible voters from the rolls. I can also see why Democrats would want to fight that effort.
In whose corner are you on that issue, Manny?
I'm not a partisan hack therefore I'm not in anyone's corner.
This is actually an excellent example of how much of a hack you are. You talk about Democrats not wanting to allow voter purges as an example of them wanting to enable voter fraud without mentioning that such purges often remove legit voters from the rolls just as well. You try to boil every issue down to black and white where the GOP is obviously in the right. Its idiocy that I'm fairly sure no one on these forums buys. Do you ever wonder why practically everyone you talk to on these boards considers you a joke?
You suggest it can't be done without disqualifying legitimate voters?
In this case, they are obviously right. We've yet to touch on the entire spectrum of Conservative ideology with which I vehemently disagree but, that doesn't mean we can't and that I might actually prove to be something other than the partisan hack you believe.
This is a pretty myopic forum where the topic on which we mostly agree never come up. It's designed for discussing differences.
Threads on the War on Drugs don't get very far because, well, most of us agree it's a monumental waste of time, money and human capital.
It just makes me wonder why you, and others, resort to personal attacks instead of sticking with argument being had.
Are you ever in the Republican Corner?
most of the conversations here to date have been narrowly focused on voter impersonation, not ineligibles voting.
it's hardly any surprise that voting rolls are not meticulously maintained and that felons manage to get on it and vote, like the human beings they resemble. . .
The way the Republicans want to do it absolutely will do that -- and that's exactly what they want. You're too much of a hack to accept that.
Who knew! There's a counterpoint.
So Franken would've won anyways, and 243 people got caught and are being prosecuted for voter fraud. The system works!
Pretty much. The solution to a few hundred alleged fraudulent votes is to disallow hundreds of thousand of perfectly legitimate voters their right to vote.
FWIW, 243 out of 2,862,451 is 0.008%...
FWIW, the race was eventually decided by 312 votes. Also, 243 were only the ones that were prosecuted, there were over a thousand identified.
I think, eventually, we will learn the Al Franken -- a pivotal seat in the Senate, at the time -- was sent there by fraudulent votes.
Again, voter fraud need neither be pervasive nor widespread in order to have a significant impact on an election.
"identified" means . Investigations were conducted and 243 felons were charged and prosecuted. The system works!
Franken would've won regardless and "voter fraud" is near zero. Facts.
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