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    I wouldn't trust CBPP either.

    Pre-sequestration baseline?

    Please excuse my ignorance. What exactly does that mean?

    Anyway, they do say:
    Ryan’s budget path would shrink federal expenditures for everything other than Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, the Children’s Health Insurance Program (CHIP), and interest payments to just 3¾ percent of the gross domestic product (GDP) by 2050.
    What is this word play they are using?

    They say "everything other than" will shrink. Defense is not in the "other than" category, and then they say it will increase?

    This definitely needs some scrutiny.

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    It's not his fault that the Senate is run by a spineless kunt like Harry Reid that won't let anything even get to a vote. If you disagree with what the House voted on and approved, put it in front of the Senate and let them vote too..
    Put your pom poms away. He claimed to work with Dems when its all too clear that neither side will work with the other. I don't like my ass to smell like mesquite.

    When was the last budget passed? The budgets for the past decade have been about political posturing so as to point fingers and nothing about policy. Both sides have no intention of one passing so they just propose one's that are spin and not policy.

    If either side would acknowledge that then I could appreciate it but Ryan has been as instrumental in the gridlock in Congress as anyone else.

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    And what is so funny about that? We all know that en lements are the 800 pound gorilla in the room. Some just don't have the balls to talk about it.
    I thought debt was the 800 pound gorilla. So he wants to fix debt by lowering taxes? And his medicare elimination just happens to only affect the younger generations? If medicare is so unsustainable, why not get rid of it for the baby boomers too? His proposal is about as serious as if Bernie Sanders came out and said to tax the top 2% at 90% like when we were paying off WWII.

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    well duh. It's a fact of life we have to wind down the we are already in. Don't confuse 10 years with 50 years.
    this could explain my question, but I'm not so sure of that.

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    I wouldn't trust CBPP either.

    Pre-sequestration baseline?

    Please excuse my ignorance. What exactly does that mean?

    Anyway, they do say:


    What is this word play they are using?

    They say "everything other than" will shrink. Defense is not in the "other than" category, and then they say it will increase?

    This definitely needs some scrutiny.
    From Romney's website:

    Requires spending cuts of approximately $500 billion per year in 2016 assuming robust economic recovery with 4% annual growth, and reversal of irresponsible Obama-era defense cuts.
    http://www.mittromney.com/issues/spending

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    LOL at the "stark differences" between R & D:


    The news media have played a crucial role in Mr. Obama’s career, helping to make him a national star not long after he had been an anonymous state legislator. As president, however, he has come to believe the news media have had a role in frustrating his ambitions to change the terms of the country’s political discussion. He particularly believes that Democrats do not receive enough credit for their willingness to accept cuts in Medicare and Social Security, while Republicans oppose almost any tax increase to reduce the deficit.
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    So Obama too is willing to take the political risk of cutting the popular programs called Medicare and Social Security. In fact, what Obama wants is not to protect these programs from cuts, but rather to receive appropriate credit from the media corporations for his willingness to cut them. This, we are about to be told endlessly, is in stark contrast to Romney-Ryan’s willingness to cut Medicare and Social Security. But the biggest contrast seems to be that the media gives Romney and Ryan the credit that Obama covets.

    Oh no, Obama supporters will reply, there’s a big difference. Romney wants to cut these programs, while Obama is willing to cut them. Romney is evil, while Obama is noble and gracious in his appeasing of evil. I’m sorry, but won’t the catfood that grandma lives on taste as bitter regardless of whether her income was removed maliciously or accommodatingly?

    Oh, but Romney-and-Ryan want to cut more than Obama wants to cut.

    Are you sure? RR need only triple their demand for Obama to double his. The longer the debate goes on, the more old people Obama wants to starve to demonstrate his willingness to accommodate. In fact, exactly how many old people starve — whether Iranians living under sanctions or Americans living under austerity — is hardly relevant. The important thing is to have gone further toward meeting RR’s demand than RR went toward meeting yours.
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    The fact is, any so-called balanced budget plan that adds $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years is a dumbass plan, tbh....

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    The fact is, any so-called balanced budget plan that adds $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years is a dumbass plan, tbh....
    It's not a balanced budget. The problem is, with all their mandatory spending put in place, it's impossible to have a balanced budget for some time. Changes need to be made that a single president alone cannot do. Congress also needs to act.

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    The fact is, any so-called balanced budget plan that adds $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years is a dumbass plan, tbh....
    I'm on record as saying we need military cuts, en lement cuts, government bureaucracy cuts, and tax increases to seriously address the debt issue.

    At this point I'm just supporting the lesser of evils IMHO.

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    The fact is, any so-called balanced budget plan that adds $4 trillion to the deficit over the next ten years is a dumbass plan, tbh....
    Also, I think you are confusing debt and deficit.

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    Ryan has way more experience than Obama did in 2008.

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    Just thought that should be pointed out.

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    I'm good with military cuts too, but what can be done if defense contracts are signed for a decade out?

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    A so-called Democratic President who's worried that he's not getting enough credit for his willingness to cut Medicare and Social Security?

    And we're supposed to be scared of Romney and Ryan?
    you - again - Democrats

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    At this point I'm just supporting the lesser of evils IMHO.
    The lesser of two evils is still evil, son...

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    Fully expect Mitt to walk away from the Medicare and Social Security portions of Ryan's plan...

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    Good lord Romney...you're not even making this interesting anymore...you pick the one guy who's famous for wanting to KILL Medicaid or Medicare I can't remember which one...either way...you can kiss the old ass vote good boy...


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    Fully expect Mitt to walk away from the Medicare and Social Security portions of Ryan's plan...
    He can't. Destroying the social safety net is as central to Ryan's sociopathy as is enriching the 1% and corps.

    ing Catholic conservatives, just as Christian as non-Catholic "Christians".

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    Paul Ryan Reading Guide: The Best Reporting on the VP Candidate

    Want help going beyond the horse race? We’re gathering the best stories out there on Congressman Paul Ryan, his positions, and his background.

    http://www.propublica.org/article/pa...e-vp-candidate

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    Fully expect Mitt to walk away from the Medicare and Social Security portions of Ryan's plan...
    The voucher plan is supposed to make Obama's Simpson-Bowles "necessary cuts" look reasonable and serious.

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    I'm good with military cuts too, but what can be done if defense contracts are signed for a decade out?
    Then we will have a lot of new, cool sitting in the hanger/warehouse in case we REALLY need it.

    it's time to stop thinking we can be the worlds policeman.

    Let those third world assholes keep killing each other and get the out of there.

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    Good lord Romney...you're not even making this interesting anymore...you pick the one guy who's famous for wanting to KILL Medicaid or Medicare I can't remember which one...either way...you can kiss the old ass vote good boy...
    Willard has the old-ass vote on lock, they tend to believe everything they hear on Faux News and fall for the usual neocon fearmongering, tbh...

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    IMHO Ryan was a bold but stupid choice.

    Ryan actually presented a serious plan to address serious problems we face that his opponents can use against him.

    What the is he doing in Politics?
    Oh. Did Ryan actually come out and say which tax expenditures he was goin to eliminate In order to pay for his $4.6T in additional tax cuts? I must have missed that? Was it the mortgage Intrest deduction he proposed getting rid of to pay for the additional tax cuts?

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    How many of you guys in your 30's-40's REALLY believe that social security and medicare as we know it now are really gonna be there when you retire?

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