Ryan on abortion exceptions: Rape is just another ‘method of conception’
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/08/2...of-conception/Vice presidential candidate Paul Ryan says that he personally believes that rape is just another “method of conception” and not an excuse to allow abortions.
During an interview with WJHL this week, Ryan was asked his view about Rep. Todd Akin, who recently asserted that women could not get pregnant from “legitimate rape.”
“Specifically where you stand when it comes to rape, and when it comes to the issue of should it be legal for a woman to be able to get an abortion if she’s raped?” WJHL reporter Josh Smith wondered.
“I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life,” Ryan explained. “But let’s remember, I’m joining the Romney-Ryan ticket. And the president makes policy.”
“And the president, in this case the future President Mitt Romney, has exceptions for rape, incest, and life of the mother, which is a vast improvement of where we are right now.”
MSNBC’s Steve Benen noted that responses like this were probably the reason that Romney is refusing to take any questions about Akin or abortion.
“In this case, when Ryan says ‘the method of conception’ is irrelevant, he’s talking about rape,” Benen wrote. “In other words, the Republicans’ vice presidential nominee clearly believes the government should force women to take their pregnancy to term if they are impregnated by a rapist.”
“Republicans can only distance themselves so much from Todd Akin before we realize they share his views.”
Dan is in the club where they think its impossible to get pregnant from a rape. God bless
"'I’m very proud of my pro-life record, and I’ve always adopted the idea that, the position that the method of conception doesn’t change the definition of life,' Ryan explained. 'But let’s remember, I’m joining the Romney-Ryan ticket. And the president makes policy.'"
Everything about that excerpt is absolutely pathetic. Ryan is getting systematically exposed.
1st: This is intellectually dishonest to claim any form of conception isn't "life" if conception itself is life. So in that Ryan is consistent.
2nd: His disclaimer here,"but I don't make policy, so ignore my beliefs if they offend you" is pandering at it's finest.
There is at least a portion of the electorate that assesses both portions of a presidential ticket when making voting decisions.
So, try as he might to deflect policy issues to Romney, at some point, Ryan needs to be pressed on his policy views and the things that he might do if he is forced into a presidency without having been elected to that position by the people.
It surely bears on the votes people will cast in November.
Imagine if a Democratic presidential candidate named a running mate who was an avowed communist. I'm sure, in that situation, the Right would just sit by and say "Oh, well, he's not the person making policy, so his views on things like that are irrelevant."
It would be so ing simple for these idiots to say...yes...those are my personal views on how I lead my personal life and I stand by them but I have no intention of forcing my views on anyone else through legislation.
That would make the politian accountable for living their life like that. God bless
Who's buying that though? Who can forget legislation like DOMA signed by Clinton?
Neither Romney nor Ryan can overturn Roe v. Wade. And I don't think either would differ on their selection of a Supreme Court Justice to be a strict cons utionalist.
I do agree though that the American people need to understand his views on a variety of issues because he is "a heartbeat away."
lol dems desperately trying to make abortion a major issue in this election.
That Akin dude set the table. That's why you just can't say things like that.
The problem with the Ryan statement is that the two halves do not match. He can not claim to have such a strict view of life on the one hand and then hand off the responsibility to Romney on the other. I at least have respect for people who stand by what they believe. If he believes that life is life and there should be no exception for rape and incest, then have the guts to stand for that belief.
Republicans repeatedly acting as if they really are going to do something about abortion to pander to the religious right.
The people Ryan is pandering to WANT Ryan to force his views on others through legislation so it wouldn't make sense for him to say that.
What?
Republicans are the ones who pretend it's a major issue and that if they have power they'll overturn Roe v. Wade (even though George Bush never did anything when the Republicans had complete control of the white house and congress).
That's the one thing I give Rick Santorum credit for. Of all the Republican candidates who spew phobic and pro-life rhetoric in order to pander to bible thumpers, I think Santorum was the only one who sincerely believes it. Gingrich, Romney, Cain, Perry, and even imo Bachmann don't give two s about abortion or gay marriage one way or another.
Bachmann definitely believes that . Doesn't her husband have some sham school that's supposed to set gay people straight?
I think you're right on the rest
I think that's kind of the point. At this point, it probably only takes one extra justice to overturn Roe (and, potentially, some 1st, 4th, and 5th amendment cases). If the slate's wiped clean and Roe is no longer the law, a President who espouses beliefs like Ryan appears to have could -- particularly with a sympathetic Congress -- enact laws that existing precedent would deem uncons utional.
I don't see the logic here. He was asked his view and gave it. If he wanted to caveat that his position would not necessarily reflect the policy of the Romney administration, isn't that a seperate issue than his belief?
Those are rumors that they've denied, however some former patients have said he does try to perform "conversion therapy." IMO, if they truly believed all the phobic stuff they say, they wouldn't deny allegations of giving "conversion therapy" as they'd think it was something good. The fact they vehemently deny giving "conversion therapy" means they know it's re ed.
Bachmann has also flip flopped on countless things she said several years ago that were absolutely bat . Santorum stands by every bat thing he's said regarding gay people and abortion, while he openly talks about playing with dead fetuses because he truly thinks a dead fetus = a dead human. If Bachmann truly thought "conversion therapy" worked, she wouldn't deny allegations her husband gives it.
Bachmann is just as full of bull as any other mainstream neocon but since she's a woman who's extremely emotional comes off as more sincere. Same thing with Sarah Palin to a lesser extent. People who knew Palin personally before 2008 say she could cuss with the best of 'em, was not religious at all, and ed black men (lol Glen Rice).
Neither Romney nor Ryan give a about overturning Roe v. Wade. The fact they can't overturn Roe v. Wade means they can campaign with a pro-life agenda and never actually have to live up to it.
Oh, wow. No, just no. For most people in this country, abortion is an issue that has been settled for quite some time. On the other hand, the GOP panders to a segment of society that wants desperately to overturn it and they apparently have gotten in a habbit of saying really stupid while doing this pandering.
The GOP not being able to articulate its own damn message well is not the Democrats doing. The GOP has no one to blame but themselves for not being able to walk without tripping over their own feet.
Could happen I suppose, but I'm not convinced it's very likely. And I think the second point Ryan made was that he's not the guy at the top of the ticket making the decisions if the first big domino falls.
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