Fantasy Football

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It's not really that uncertain IMO. The reports are out - it's a high ankle sprain, 2-6 weeks, but we all saw him trying to cut and get back into the game (just couldn't go). If it was that bad, he would look like Hernandez (on crutches and not able to walk).

Even with Bush poaching goal line carries (for example, best case scenario for Bush where he had 2 TD's) Forte still was the number 9 RB in all of fantasy and outscored Bush by 33% in my league. While it does not help Forte, it doesn't change the fact he is a top 10 RB in any league by all accounts IMO.

RGIII's value is irrelevant IMO. I explained why. Even if he ends up being a top 6 QB, it's only a 10 team league. The teams with Brady, Brees, Rodgers, Stafford, Cam just will trade for him because it's not an upgrade. The other teams with Matt Ryan, Peyton, Vick & Eli have to ask is the marginal upgrade worth significantly losing a RB better than Forte (there is only maybe 9 or so better). The reality of the league says he will get no offers for a top 10 RB better than Forte.

I hear what you're saying, I honestly do...I just disagree.

Forte thrived last year b/c there was no true 2nd banana poaching his touches (MBIII was THAT bad). In 2010 I had Forte and Chester Taylor poached all his goal-line scores...it was infuriating. Bush looks to be pulling a Chester Taylor

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

It definitely helps because he only starts 1 QB. Doesn't matter how good an asset is if everyone already has that asset (which in our league, everyone with the exception of 2-3 teams has a QB that's better or close enough to RGIII that giving up a top 10 RB isn't smart).

Since I don't know your scoring/league, can you post the Top 10 QBs in your league (as of now) and their points?

[Drachen]

It definitely helps because he only starts 1 QB. Doesn't matter how good an asset is if everyone already has that asset (which in our league, everyone with the exception of 2-3 teams has a QB that's better or close enough to RGIII that giving up a top 10 RB isn't smart).

Look, those guys are better football players, and RG will probably fall off at some point, but for now, he is one of the top 3 fantasy players. I mean, Brady hasn't hit for two weeks in a row. Maybe that guy gets fed up and trades for a better QB. Your offer is just flat out bad. I might consider it if you didn't have Bush involved, but even then I would ask for more (a flex level player). If you didn't acquiesce then I would respectfully part ways unless I really really needed a RB.

[DPG21920]

For sure - also, where do you rank Forte this year (all of this other stuff we are discussing not considered)? Just rank him from a RB perspective in a non-PPR league.

QBs as of now top 10:

1) RGIII - 60 points
2) Brees - 48
3) Vick - 46
4) Eli - 44
5) Cam - 43
6) Palmer - 41
7) Cassell - 39
8) Romo - 39
9) Bradford - 38
10) Rodgers - 37

[DPG21920]

Look, those guys are better football players, and RG will probably fall off at some point, but for now, he is one of the top 3 fantasy players. I mean, Brady hasn't hit for two weeks in a row. Maybe that guy gets fed up and trades for a better QB. Your offer is just flat out bad. I might consider it if you didn't have Bush involved, but even then I would ask for more (a flex level player). If you didn't acquiesce then I would respectfully part ways unless I really really needed a RB.

He does really need a RB. What people that play fantasy football fail to remember is it's not about fantasy points, it's about fantasy point per position. QB's by nature score more fantasy points. Because Carson Palmer has scored more points than Ray Rice, does not make him more valuable.

If you need a RB, who in your mind do you think (taking the other variables I have mentioned out) you could fetch for RGIII? Where do you rank Forte in the RB rankings? I have him as a top 10 RB, and if you agree, I fail to see how that is "flat out bad".

[The Gemini Method]

For sure - also, where do you rank Forte this year (all of this other stuff we are discussing not considered)? Just rank him from a RB perspective in a non-PPR league.

QBs as of now top 10:

1) RGIII - 60 points
2) Brees - 48
3) Vick - 46
4) Eli - 44
5) Cam - 43
6) Palmer - 41
7) Cassell - 39
8) Romo - 39
9) Bradford - 38
10) Rodgers - 37

Rivers with 45.(5) pts would be in that list too...unless you're talking about an individual league.

[DPG21920]

That is the rankings for my league and the setting/scoring in that league.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

For sure - also, where do you rank Forte this year (all of this other stuff we are discussing not considered)? Just rank him from a RB perspective in a non-PPR league.

QBs as of now top 10:

1) RGIII - 60 points
2) Brees - 48
3) Vick - 46
4) Eli - 44
5) Cam - 43
6) Palmer - 41
7) Cassell - 39
8) Romo - 39
9) Bradford - 38
10) Rodgers - 37

So he's not willing to part with the #1 QB in your league (and Michael Bush) for aguy who could be out 2-6 weeks? Man, what a .


To answer your question, I haven't played non-ppr in years so my rankings would probably be ed up as far as legitimacy is concerned. I can tell you I would probably rank him Top 5 when healthy IN a PPR league, though.

Nevertheless, lemme look up the backs and try to give you a legitimate non-ppr ranking. brb

[Drachen]

For sure - also, where do you rank Forte this year (all of this other stuff we are discussing not considered)? Just rank him from a RB perspective in a non-PPR league.

QBs as of now top 10:

1) RGIII - 60 points
2) Brees - 48
3) Vick - 46
4) Eli - 44
5) Cam - 43
6) Palmer - 41
7) Cassell - 39
8) Romo - 39
9) Bradford - 38
10) Rodgers - 37

Ok, so looking at that list perhaps Rogers has ANOTHER bad week next week (or Brady who is missing from the top ten). You don't think that those guys at least start thinking about upgrading their QB, then they look around and see that there is a team that has the lead quarterback on their bench. That lead quarterback has 25% more points than the guy in second place (and certainly a ton more than their guy). They are going to give up more than an injured top ten RB to get him.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

These rankings will be totally jacked up b/c I can't get PPR out of my head, but do you want this from a preseason perspective? (i.e. w/o the hindsight that Chris Johnson would suck ass again?)

[DPG21920]

These rankings will be totally jacked up b/c I can't get PPR out of my head, but do you want this from a preseason perspective? (i.e. w/o the hindsight that Chris Johnson would suck ass again?)

Nah, just what we know right now.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Nah, just what we know right now.

1. Arian Foster
2. LeSean McCoy
3. Ray Rice
4. C.J. Spiller
5. Adrian Peterson
6. Reggie Bush
7. Matt Forte (again, I'm considering everybody healthy)
8. Maurice Jones-Drew
9. Frank Gore
10. Darren Sproles

Like I said, it's jacked up, but whatev

[DPG21920]

Ok, so looking at that list perhaps Rogers has ANOTHER bad week next week (or Brady who is missing from the top ten). You don't think that those guys at least start thinking about upgrading their QB, then they look around and see that there is a team that has the lead quarterback on their bench. That lead quarterback has 25% more points than the guy in second place (and certainly a ton more than their guy). They are going to give up more than an injured top ten RB to get him.

Well that is where we disagree. I just highly doubt, due to the amount of good QB's there are, that anyone with a top QB (Brady, Rogers, Brees, Stafford) is ever going to give up their top RB's for another QB. They have hitched their wagon and those guys, even if under performing give you enough points to compete every single week (as you see every year). Everyone below that (Eli, Vick, Peyton, Matt Ryan...) are in the same boat. There is only a gap in the number 1 QB vs everyone else (after just two weeks, and that will change and the gap will close).

RGIII's value is as high as it's going to get & getting a top 10 RB is as good as it will get (as evidenced by them getting 0 offers at their asking price which is one of the 9 RB's that most would rank near or ahead of Forte despite him being the number 1 QB).

The question is, in a nuts , would I rather have Brady/McFadden or RGIII/Sproles. Too everyone in my league that seems to be an easy answer & why he is getting no offers despite RGIII have the best possible start he could.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

btw, I honestly believe Spiller will lead all backs by year's end. Buffalo's WRs are all injured or suck, FJax is injured, and C.J. is getting better and better. He's their entire offense. We're talking easily over 2000 yds from scrimmage this year, if healthy

[DPG21920]

1. Arian Foster
2. LeSean McCoy
3. Ray Rice
4. C.J. Spiller
5. Adrian Peterson
6. Reggie Bush
7. Matt Forte (again, I'm considering everybody healthy)
8. Maurice Jones-Drew
9. Frank Gore
10. Darren Sproles

Like I said, it's jacked up, but whatev

That's pretty close. I'd prob have Ryan Matthews & McFadden in there over Sproles and Bush, but I can see the argument. So with that said (because myself and most of my league probably has similar rankings) do you think you could get Foster, McCoy, Rice, AP for RGIII when those guys all have these QBs (The guy with Foster has Matt Ryan & Peyton, the guy with McCoy/AP has Romo, the guy with Rice has Vick).

So realistically, the guy with Romo may think it's worth while to upgrade, but I doubt you get McCoy. He might offer up AP which I agree would be better. So that's one guy.

I have CJ Spiller and Forte - CJ not on the table. When you start to look at it like this, getting a top 7 back (injured or not) seems to be more than fair is all I am saying.

[DPG21920]

I am trying to move CJ right now because I believe Jackson comes back in 3 weeks max and regains his starting role. I am also trying to trade for Fred Jackson so I can keep CJ and just go with whomever is winning because they will produce.

Right now I have McFadden, Forte, Ryan Matthews, CJ Spiller & Donald Brown

[Blake]

btw, I honestly believe Spiller will lead all backs by year's end. Buffalo's WRs are all injured or suck, FJax is injured, and C.J. is getting better and better. He's their entire offense. We're talking easily over 2000 yds from scrimmage this year, if healthy

No way.

If/when Fred comes back, no reason they won't, at best for CJ, split carries

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

That's pretty close. I'd prob have Ryan Matthews & McFadden in there over Sproles and Bush, but I can see the argument. So with that said (because myself and most of my league probably has similar rankings) do you think you could get Foster, McCoy, Rice, AP for RGIII when those guys all have these QBs (The guy with Foster has Matt Ryan & Peyton, the guy with McCoy/AP has Romo, the guy with Rice has Vick).

So realistically, the guy with Romo may think it's worth while to upgrade, but I doubt you get McCoy. He might offer up AP which I agree would be better. So that's one guy.

I have CJ Spiller and Forte - CJ not on the table. When you start to look at it like this, getting a top 7 back (injured or not) seems to be more than fair is all I am saying.

Smart man.


What's this guy's record (or what will it be after tonight)? It's hard to sell somebody on an injured back when they have a nice dust chip to trade. Keep in mind that Forte's either missed or been injured in 5 of his last 6 games.

[The Gemini Method]

I have CJ Spiller, Ray Rice, and Doug Martin...I'm hoping Martin will be the beast that many have him pegged to be, or, at the very least the constant no.2 or no.3 based on what Spiller does when Jackson returns.

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

No way.

If/when Fred comes back, no reason they won't, at best for CJ, split carries

Fred will never start for the Bills again (barring injury to C.J.), and when he comes back how much do you really think he'll cut into it? More than Ben Tate who's poaching yards and TDs every week?


What people don't realize is that Spiller has done all this damage on just 29 carries this year. He was a 20-25 carry back at Clemson for 4 years, so you know he can handle the rock more than he already has. He is the Black Jesus

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Right now I have McFadden, Forte, Ryan Matthews, CJ Spiller & Donald Brown

Damn. W/o injuries you would win your league

[Lincoln]

DD give me sproles

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

DD give me sproles

Make me an offer, scro-diddly.

Here's the team again:

QB - Stafford, Schaub
RB - Spiller, Sproles, Benson, Dwyer
WR - Cruz, Brown, Amendola, Thomas
TE - Celek, Daniels, Chandler
DEF - PHI, ATL
K - Graham, Henery


I'm so ing stacked

[Drachen]

I think he could get a different top ten back and another good player (back, WR, or otherwise). Maybe not, maybe you are correct, but I wouldn't make that trade for an injured back. Who is your QB?

[Ryan Fitzpatrick]

Lincoln, give it a week or two. If Stafford continues to himself I will give you Sproles for RG3

EDIT: maybe