So Kevin Martin is just as good as James Harden now? This move is an obvious step backwards as far as this year is concerned...not that it's surprising that you can't see that.
It seemed like in every big situation from game 3 on Harden made shot after shot in the WCF. The finals he was a non-factor, had he shown up maybe OKC would have pushed that series to 6 or 7. OKC seemed to be building everything they had around that big 3, so this is very shocking and a step backwards..
Dream on, dreamer.LA is going to maul the league.
deal HELPS Lakers/Spurs.
Yeah, that's exactly what I said, genius. Of course it's a step backwards, but not enough so that they're "giving this year away championship-wise". It obviously lessens the chances, but to think they have no chance is flat out stupid. Martin isn't Harden, but people need to stop pretending as if he's a fringe player.
Would have been nice to sell Presti on Manu and what he could do for them short-term (championship aspirations alive) and how Tiago would help for Harden. Too bad we don't have any other assets as far as picks go...
I think some of you guys are selling Kevin Martin really low. He is not Harden, but he is not a scrub. He is a good starting SG and don't be surprised to see Martin having a nice year with OKC.
He's horrible. He's an injury prone chucker who plays no defense at all. He will either be hurt or a liability in the playoffs. Unless the Heat sustain a serious injury to one of their stars the Thunder aren't winning anything.
Kevin Martin is obviously a downgrade from Harden, especially defensively, but I think the key here is Lamb. Between Perry and Lamb, OKC has revamped their lineup with some young, hungry blood. OKC's vaunted chemistry would be fighting an uphill battle against Harden's Finals and Gold Medal ego all season where they now have guys that can and will give it their all and at a much, much cheaper price.
Martin is just a throw in to make the numbers work. If he can produce off the bench for them without the pressure of being the go to guy, all the better for OKC.
I actually think they could be a stronger team by the end of the season because of this swap.
This.
I'll say this about Martin. He's never been on a contending team, so no one really knows what his impact will be as of now, but he didn't do anything to make the Rockets better. He plays ZERO defense, relies on the refs to get free throws literally ALL game, can be difficult to coach, and is not clutch.
Stunningly, you did (almost) get one thing right and that is, unless the Heat sustain a serious injury to one of their stars the Thunder aren't winning anything (should have said championship; they can still win the West) . . . but I'd have said that before the trade. As far as the West goes, if you'd have said this makes the Lakers the clear favorites, fine (I don't agree, but whatever). But to act as if the Thunder have no chance is going overboard.
Also, Martin cannot finish at the rim like Harden.
I did say championship dumbass. I'm done talking to you as you ing suck at talking basketball, per your usual.
You said "anything", fat boy. If by anything you meant championship, then you should have clarified. But last I checked, winning a conference and losing in the Finals is still doing better than 28 other teams.
What reason was there to think they'd have won before the trade? Internal improvement? It's not like the Heat, just from a continuity perspective, weren't going to improve internally, either (in addition to improving externally). Basically, they had to hope that Wade's knee was so damaged that he was no longer a top five player. Short of that (or a debilitating injury to James or Bosh), they weren't winning anyway.
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And that's exactly why people should not make assumptions about Martin's role in OKC. Nobody is saying he is better than Harden, but to say he won't do in OKC is reaching way too much.
Harden is better defensively, but he is not a great defender either and he relies on the refs to get FTs as much as Martin. And yeah, Harden is better than Martin finishing at the rim, but Martin has a much better jump-shot.
And we have yet to see how Harden plays as a go-to player and how this will affect his efficiency.
Bottom line, it's too early to say anything about both. I understand that as a HOU fan you're excited about getting Harden, but he also has flaws as any other player. You guys act like OKC lost a perfect player and got a Matt Bonner to replace him and that's not the case at all.
You and posters like Kidd K are the reason I don't talk serious basketball up here anymore. This place is good for news, game recaps and basically nothing else. You can't even figure out what I said and didn't say and I'm not pointing it out for you.
I stand affirmed yet again.
So let me get this straight: This forum is no good for "serious basketball talk", but the NBA forum is?
I know exactly what you said (you did say "anything", re ) and what you meant (and knew initially), I just wanted to point out how stupid it was by you to leave any doubt as to what you meant and to get a rise out of you, just for the heck of it.
Now, back to the question at hand: What reason was there to think they've have won the championship before the trade?
Who said I talked serious basketball in the NBA forum?
I'm not answering for you, got. Piss off.
dont c how it makes okc better now wish this trade happend last season
I thought you were "done talking basketball with me", what, 3, 4 posts ago? Yet here you are, still going, worked up as ever over nothing.
Benefactor hacked by TPark?
I didn't talk basketball in any of those posts, yet here you are, still being just as much of a dumbass as ever.
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