The fatal flaw of Republicanism

[Blake]

I would venture to throw in some latin american dictators who only claimed to be "religious" in order to pander to the masses but whose tyrannical actions were anything but.

Rick Perry

[boutons_deux]

A huge flaw in Republicanism is that 10Ms of their base are dumb , ignorant bubbas

Red Staters (and More) Already Talking Secession After Obama Victory

this year the electoral map looks su iously like slave states and free states lining up in opposition.

On the WhiteHouse.gov pe ion-writing tool, a large number of people have put forward pe ions "peacefully demanding" that their states, including Texas and Louisiana, be removed from the Union. These two have garnered tens of thousands of signatures already, while others--which aren't all predictable, and include states like New York and Michigan-- have only a few thousand signees each.


http://www.alternet.org/red-staters-and-more-already-talking-secession-after-obama-victory

I'd REALLY like to see the Feds pull out all of US military, fire all Fed civil service in TX, and pull NASA out of TX! That'll teach the TX bubbas a lesson.

Jefferson would be proud of the current INFORMED, EDUCATED populace.

[TeyshaBlue]

A huge flaw in Republicanism is that 10Ms of their base are dumb , ignorant bubbas

Red Staters (and More) Already Talking Secession After Obama Victory

this year the electoral map looks su iously like slave states and free states lining up in opposition.

On the WhiteHouse.gov pe ion-writing tool, a large number of people have put forward pe ions "peacefully demanding" that their states, including Texas and Louisiana, be removed from the Union. These two have garnered tens of thousands of signatures already, while others--which aren't all predictable, and include states like New York and Michigan-- have only a few thousand signees each.


http://www.alternet.org/red-staters-and-more-already-talking-secession-after-obama-victory

I'd REALLY like to see the Feds pull out all of US military, fire all Fed civil service in TX, and pull NASA out of TX! That'll teach the TX bubbas a lesson.

Jefferson would be proud of the current INFORMED, EDUCATED populace.

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...16#post6190116

[boutons_deux]

TB

always so eloquent, incisive, delighting in the intelligent repartee with devastating counter thrusts of ...... facepalms!

[Phenomanul]

(facepalm)

So your definition of "atheist" leader is anyone who does evil things, gotcha.

This is a rather worn path, don't you think?

You say X is an atheist, someone else say Y is a religious person, both X and Y are obviously horrible people, ad nauseum.

In the end, by taking a rather biased sample, you have only really proven the point of the OP albeit rather unwittingly.

I understand why you wouldn't want to claim those folks as being in your camp, nobody wants them (yes, they were horrible people). But don't deny the obvious; they were secularists to the core. Power-hungry Humanistic dictators. Naturalistic agnostics at best. How else would you classify the relentless pursuit of religious ins utions in their respective countries during their oppressive regimes? The wanton destruction of temples/churches/shrines and the burning of any literature regarded as a sacred text? For example, ownership of a Bible is still cause for imprisonment in North Korea... How else would you classify that belligerence against religion, if not born out of an atheist philosophy?

NOW, I didn't say ALL atheists would be dictatorial. I simply implied a proneness...

BTW you made a faux assumption in suggesting I am a replublican, ergo I cannot 'unwittingly' prove the point in the OP.

[Wild Cobra]

RG points out Republican confirmation bias by posting a cartoon that confirms this belief.

He must love the ones that only slam the opposing side. He likes media bias I bet.

[Phenomanul]

your wastrel boy dubya self-proclaimed to be a born-again Christian, and yet murdered 100Ks US military + Iraqis with his war-for-oil, so that proves Christians are evil leaders, and "Christian" USA slaughtered a few 100K Japanese, non-Christian non-combattants with two atomic bombs. Go Christians, y'all be doing God's work!

George W. Bush pandered to Christians throughout his tenure as President of the USA... but I am 99% sure he is not a Christian (based on actions thus far). Only GOD knows what's in his heart, and ultimately, that is what GWB will be judged against.

Rick Perry is on the same boat.

[boutons_deux]

" I didn't say ALL atheists would be dictatorial. I simply implied a proneness"

and nobody can say that "Christian" leaders are not warmongers, and prone to peace, love, and happiness.

So in fact, you have nothing to say at all.

[RandomGuy]

I understand why you wouldn't want to claim those folks as being in your camp, nobody wants them (yes, they were horrible people). But don't deny the obvious; they were secularists to the core. Power-hungry Humanistic dictators. Naturalistic agnostics at best. How else would you classify the relentless pursuit of religious ins utions in their respective countries during their oppressive regimes? The wanton destruction of temples/churches/shrines and the burning of any literature regarded as a sacred text? For example, ownership of a Bible is still cause for imprisonment in North Korea... How else would you classify that belligerence against religion, if not born out of an atheist philosophy?

NOW, I didn't say ALL atheists would be dictatorial. I simply implied a proneness...

BTW you made a faux assumption in suggesting I am a replublican, ergo I cannot 'unwittingly' prove the point in the OP.

So you do want to do the well worn kabuki, alright then.

Jung Myung Seok
Tony Alamo
Michael Travesser
Graham Capill
Warren Jeffs
William Kamm
Jacques Robidoux
Tomás de Torquemada
Adolf Hitler
William Stoughton
Moses

Etc. etc. etc.

History is replete with men who professed belief in God, and then went on to use that belief to justify and support all manner of horrible things.

This has been going on for thousands of years, and is by no means unique to Christianity. The fact that totalitarian governments view religion and religious ins utions as threatening their power, to me, says volumes about how religion is, and has been used.

Once you think God is telling you to do something, you can do all sorts of nasty rationalizations.

[RandomGuy]

George W. Bush pandered to Christians throughout his tenure as President of the USA... but I am 99% sure he is not a Christian (based on actions thus far). Only GOD knows what's in his heart, and ultimately, that is what GWB will be judged against.

Rick Perry is on the same boat.

Once again, you get to define who is Christian and who is not a "real" Christian.

How convenient for you.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...ed-sample.html

[TeyshaBlue]

I can't keep track of my spamming.

[TeyshaBlue]

Once again, you get to define who is Christian and who is not a "real" Christian.

How convenient for you.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...ed-sample.html

Ok..who is the arbiter of Christianity?

[TeyshaBlue]

I'm too busy, btw. Mebbe Jeebus can fill in.

[RandomGuy]

BTW you made a faux assumption in suggesting I am a [Republican], ergo I cannot 'unwittingly' prove the point in the OP.

Fair enough. Withdrawn. You do not prove the point in the OP, as you are not a Republican.

I would say, though, based on my dealings with you in the past, your ability to ignore data that does not support your worldview is quite in line with the type of confirmation bias that causes me to make such statements.

[RandomGuy]

Ok..who is the arbiter of Christianity?

I dunno. I am forced to generally take people at their word. I find the "oh yeah well, X is in YOUR camp and they are evil" to be something of a pointless exercise, although I will indulge in it if someone really wants to play that way.

[TeyshaBlue]

I dunno. I am forced to generally take people at their word. I find the "oh yeah well, X is in YOUR camp and they are evil" to be something of a pointless exercise, although I will indulge in it if someone really wants to play that way.

Well, if it's going to remain an undefined qualifier, it's probably best to just delete it from the lexicon of political traits pro or con.

[TeyshaBlue]

ergo...


"Dude's a ___________!"

"So What? Any idea what that means?"

"No."

End discussion.

[RandomGuy]

Well, if it's going to remain an undefined qualifier, it's probably best to just delete it from the lexicon of political traits pro or con.

hrm.

I said I generally take people at their word. If they say they are, they are, until proven that they are not, which would be difficult, unless you find an orthodox jew offering to Vishnu or something.

That is a reasonable definition to me.

[Blake]

George W. Bush pandered to Christians throughout his tenure as President of the USA... but I am 99% sure he is not a Christian (based on actions thus far). Only GOD knows what's in his heart, and ultimately, that is what GWB will be judged against.

Rick Perry is on the same boat.

Well, I guess we know that King Saul and King David were not Christians due to their place in time.......but I'm sure their war mongering was righteously justified since God knew their hearts.

, David was a man after God's own heart according to God.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

George W. Bush pandered to Christians throughout his tenure as President of the USA... but I am 99% sure he is not a Christian (based on actions thus far). Only GOD knows what's in his heart, and ultimately, that is what GWB will be judged against.

Rick Perry is on the same boat.

rofl so then I guess you can say this country's evangelical population is pretty in gullible and stupid for thinking Bush is a Christian

Accidentally admitting how stupid evangelicals are

[101A]

Ok..who is the arbiter of Christianity?

John 3:16

[Phenomanul]

So you do want to do the well worn kabuki, alright then.

Jung Myung Seok
Tony Alamo
Michael Travesser
Graham Capill
Warren Jeffs
William Kamm
Jacques Robidoux
Tomás de Torquemada
Adolf Hitler
William Stoughton
Moses

Etc. etc. etc.

History is replete with men who professed belief in God, and then went on to use that belief to justify and support all manner of horrible things.

This has been going on for thousands of years, and is by no means unique to Christianity. The fact that totalitarian governments view religion and religious ins utions as threatening their power, to me, says volumes about how religion is, and has been used.

Once you think God is telling you to do something, you can do all sorts of nasty rationalizations.

Once again, you get to define who is Christian and who is not a "real" Christian.

How convenient for you.
http://www.nizkor.org/features/falla...ed-sample.html

Oh that's rich... a mocking non-believer like yourself TELLING me that the tenets of my faith cannot be used to gauge it's very adherents...

The bible explicitly describes what a Christian should be. And not to bust your bubble again (we've had that dance before), but Hitler was most definitely not a Christian (and he dabbled with occultistism to boot). The man was evil incarnate. No amount of lies or deceit can fully masquerade or suppress the weight of his evil deeds.

A "real" Christian according to the bible is known by their fruit... The passage from the Gospel of St. Matthew says it as plain as night and day:

"13) Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14) But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it. 15) Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16) By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17) Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18) A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19) Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20) Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21) Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22) Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles? 23) Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!''' Matthew 7:13-23

So what are the fruits by which you will 'know' who is a Christian?

"22) But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23) gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law." Galatians 5:22-23

Joseph Stalin persecuted the Church and all other religious ins utions in order to "purge" the Soviet Union of religion. More than 40 million people lost their lives under his oppression. DEFINITELY not a DEIST.

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[Phenomanul]

rofl so then I guess you can say this country's evangelical population is pretty in gullible and stupid for thinking Bush is a Christian

Accidentally admitting how stupid evangelicals are

Accidental what? Go crawl back under a bridge... Most Christians misinterpret and misapply the "Judge not lest ye be judged" concept far too much. They wouldn't outright claim to state who "is" or "isn't" a Christian based on fear that they're casting judgement on someone else. Clearly, the Bible issues a guidelines on what it means to represent Christ and what that would entail.

[Phenomanul]

Peace out...

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Accidental what? Go crawl back under a bridge... Most Christians misinterpret and misapply the "Judge not lest ye be judged" concept far too much. They wouldn't outright claim to state who "is" or "isn't" a Christian based on fear that they're casting judgement on someone else. Clearly, the Bible issues a guidelines on what it means to represent Christ and what that would entail.

So you're then admitting most evangelical christians in this country are in stupid amirite?