Yes
No
In this case yes
Should a running back with 4 games of less than 100 yards rushing and 2 games with less than 100 yards TOTAL offense be considered for the Heisman ?
Considered I suppose, but many a RB has lost heisman hopes with a single game of less than 100 yards.
In this case, yes. The only thing that has kept him from more performances like the one we saw against Fresno St, is the fact that he loses a ton of carries to Lendale White.(sp?) Otherwise we'd be seeing Marshall Fualk type college numbers every week.
But this forum is full of USC haters and Longhorn homers, so we all know what the results are going to look like.
Last edited by IceColdBrewski; 11-23-2005 at 09:17 AM.
In this case yes. He is more than just a RB. He is a legit threat as a WR, KR and RB. The kid is special. I would love VY to get the Heisman and I think he is deserving but if I had a vote, I would vote for Reggie Bush.
I'd agree with that. There's a certain myopia around here about how good the Longhorns are and how overrated the Trojans are. All I know is that the same USC offense torched an Oklahoma defense that was good enough to shut down the vaunted Longhorns, who had a better running game last year than this year. I'm not saying that there's any direct correlation, but I do think that USC's accomplishments this year are unfairly downplayed, given that they've played a much more difficult schedule that Texas.
We'll see how it plays out, but Bush should not be discounted based on Longhorn fan parsing his numbers to argue that he's not as good as Vince Young.
While I do agree there is a lot burnt orange myopia here...there is also myopia of the maroon variety as well as the red (Tech,OU and NU shades) as well as Ohio St, and ND. To be fair...there are as many anti-Texas haters as there are Texas homers here. Personally, I am a fan of UT and I think VY has done enough to earn the Heisman and that Texas can beat USC. By saying that...I am not saying that Reggie Bush has not earned the Heisman nor that USC has no shot. I just do not believe that its an open and shut case either way. I have no problem with SC fan coming here and propping their team....but I haven't seen it yet. I have seen Anti-Horn fan come in here and spew hate for the lone and sole reason that it is Texas. I don't want to see an Aggie Fan who is bent about their season nor someone who just hates the State of Texas and all about it. I want to see USC fan. Not necessarily has to be an alum but someone who has followed the Trojans for a long time.
Last edited by samikeyp; 11-21-2005 at 12:48 PM.
I didn't call it a pervasive problem, mikey. I'm aware that there is some objectivity among some of the Orangebloods.
But it's also pretty hard to deny that there are a good number of Longhorn supporters who refuse to believe that there is any way that USC might be the better team or even compe ive with Texas this year. And it's pretty hard to deny that the individuals in that group have done their level best to discredit everything and anything that SC has done this year. Wouldn't you agree with me on that?
You are correct sir on all points, that is why I edited my post.
i guess i am just not vocal enough. it doesn't help that my work blocks the site so i don't have much time (except my hour when i go home during lunch).
as an sc fan (2004 grad... so for 6 seasons now... prior to college i didn't have a team, but just watched games), of course, i will say that reggie is an amazing player who comes up huge when we need him most. the other games are so-so, but appear alot more average because not only are they compared to his other games but also to the play of his teammates.
but i wouldn't care if he didn't win the heisman. it can only go to one person. there is not a year when there is only one outstanding player. this year there are a few players with strong cases. vince has had a great year. if he wins, he is deserving of it. the heisman is great, but it doesn't diminish the outstanding play of the other candidates who didn't win it.
Thanks Kat. Good post.
You should also realize that VY isn't going to win the Heisman. Not that he isn't deserving of it, but he won't pass up Bush this year.
I don't think VY will pass Bush either, but he has two shots to do so in nationally televised contests.
Heisman balloters have until December 6th to return their picks. Texas still plays two more times with A&M on Friday and the championship game on the 3rd before then.
i think if vince is going to pass reggie, he will have to do so on friday. sc plays ucla on the 3rd in a nationally televised game. last year reggie's biggest game was against ucla. i don't see that being much different. given ucla's rush defense, his stats could be similar to this past week.
VY would have to have a Bush against FSU type game and Reggie would have to sit the UCLA game, IMO for Vince to win
well, he was voted most valuable player by the team last year.
but leinart sure had a of an orange bowl. not to mention that his record as a starter now stands at 36-1. some of that is due to the other offensive talent we have, but he has done a great job of leading the team. in the game after his one loss at cal, he was injured against asu but lead the team to a comeback win. his leadership skills are even better this year. his stats are even better this year than last... but when you play with someone like reggie, passing for 300 yards a game doesn't seem like that big of a deal.
Bush's game of over 500 yds total cancels VYs game of over 500 total. Overall, Young should get the Heisman. After all, Nordgren was not exactly the Lindell White to come in and give VY a breather...and VY runs the "O". Just my thoughts.
Heisman is a glorified popularity contest. National media types have been riding Reggie Bush's jock for quite some time now.
Going to the game Friday?
So, wait. Because the football team from the school I actually went to sucks this year, my opinion doesn't count? Whereas people who just randomly prop Texas (even though they went to some community college in SA) have perfectly valid opinions? Of course they're SO much more objective than I am. How many people here actually went to Texas?
Maybe I hate the Horns, but I can still have an opinion about them. I also doubt you're going to see a lot of real, diehard Trojan fans in here. Most people who didn't actually go to SC hopped off the bandwagon in the '90s when USC was terrible. I know KewlKat's an SC grad, but you're going to have a pretty crummy debate if you're only letting one other person talk.
P.S. I think it's pretty cut and dry that Bush gets it at this point. Apparently, some people agree with me.
As someone who is niether a USC nor Texas fan, I feel that so far Bush should be the Heisman winner.
Aggie...my point was that I wanted to see SC fan represent. All we get here is Aggie vs.Horn hate(with a little OU and NU fun mixed in) and I wanted to see something different. Objectivity was never a goal. It can't be on this board!So, wait. Because the football team from the school I actually went to sucks this year, my opinion doesn't count? Whereas people who just randomly prop Texas (even though they went to some community college in SA) have perfectly valid opinions? Of course they're SO much more objective than I am. How many people here actually went to Texas?
Maybe I hate the Horns, but I can still have an opinion about them. I also doubt you're going to see a lot of real, diehard Trojan fans in here. Most people who didn't actually go to SC hopped off the bandwagon in the '90s when USC was terrible. I know KewlKat's an SC grad, but you're going to have a pretty crummy debate if you're only letting one other person talk.
P.S. I think it's pretty cut and dry that Bush gets it at this point. Apparently, some people agree with me.Personally I think its pretty weak to hear "The Aggies/Longhorns will lose because I hate them." (Not you personally,in general) It happens on both sides. I don't like it personally but if that is someone's reason...they are en led to it. And never once did I say you couldn't have an opinion. No one's opinion is any more or less valid than anyone else's, to borrow your own words from previous posts, they are just opinions. I wanted to see some fresh ones. Also not once did I say you had to go to a school to be "allowed" an opinion about them. Your opinion counts just as much as anyone elses, I just wanted to see some different takes. A lot of what we get here is anti-(fill in school here) takes. I wanted something different. Kat brought it. No harm done.
BTW, I noticed you chose to ignore this, but I too agreed that Bush would win the Heisman.
Last edited by samikeyp; 11-23-2005 at 08:51 AM.
although the 30 yard run, drop the ball, have it bounce back to you and score a TD was pretty funny! Let's see Lindale White do that!After all, Nordgren was not exactly the Lindell White to come in and give VY a breather...
i don't think that the diehard trojan fans jumped off the bandwagon in the 90s. have you heard of the thundering herd? the seats by the tunnel are full of the craziest sc fans. my friends and i are by far the youngest in that section. but i think why you might not see those diehard trojan fans in here is because those fans from the 80s and 90s are probably from california which means they could care less about the spurs. the same goes for the alumni from that time period. usc is much different now. there are alot of out-of-staters... so the few die-hard fans that do come here (myself and one other) haven't been around sc as long.
Hopefully we will see more here.
What's the point of me replying to something to tell you I agree with you or to acknowledge that you agree with me? I can read, I saw what you said, I just don't see the point in acknowledging every point I agree with you on.
And you did say that you wanted a "real" SC fan's viewpoint instead of hearing Aggies pop off. You're not going to find many of those here. For what it's worth, I think I'm fairly objective on this game. I hate SC almost as bad as I hate Texas. I know I've said it before, but some people here tend to confuse thinking a team is good with rooting for them.
I never said the diehard fans jumped off the bandwagon. I said most of the fans jumped off the bandwagon when SC sucked, but not the diehard ones, pretty much by definition. You're sorta proving my point that there aren't going to be many long term SC fans on here.
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