Btw, to say "it will never be proven that Gods do not exist" is as faulty a statement as saying "Gods do not exist". Your statement is a universal negative that even includes the time dimension. You cannot know what will never be proven, and you cannot even adequately define the term "proof".
For me, the proof that a god doesn't exist is that there's no proof that a god does exist. The same is true for the flying spaghetti monster, his noodly appendages be praised. The mere concept of an omniscient deity dictates that it's existence be unquestionable to the rational person. The existence of the moon is unquestionable to the rational person, but we don't worship it. If a god cannot at least be as undeniable as the moon, is it really a god?
Sure the apologist will say an omniscient God could, by definition, remain undetected but then that's taking the exception and using it as the rule, like saying an omniscient God must remain undetected. Even still, if the God is undetectable, how do we know of it?
All this means nothing since "GOD" could mean different things to different people. Even then the "label" "GOD" is still just a label.
In simpler terms; you guys are arguing about a label and no one really even knows what "god" actually is, looks like, or in what shape or form he or she would actually take shape in.
All those churchs all that gospel music all that faith in something better, while non believers ain't got .
Ergo gods do not exist. Concepts that posit en ies that rely on objective view in order to exist are not worth discussing.
Wow, a solipsist view. That's new.In simpler terms; you guys are arguing about a label and no one really even knows what "god" actually is, looks like, or in what shape or form he or she would actually take shape in.
Of course. That's how God keeps receding into the gaps... Theists refuse to nail him down. The instant they define Him, that is the instant we have a testable claim.
It isn't about defining him/it/her...
It is that no one can know for sure what god is or isn't. It isn't something that a scientist can define and test. It is unknowable to the human mind. Truth/god/love - whatever label you go by - it cannot be put into a concept. As soon as you try to label it or define it is becomes something else. It is not something the human mind can understand. It is mystery.
God or no God....
"humans evolved from monkeys"
This right there proves you do not understand evolution and havnt even looked at the theory.
Humans did NOT evolve from "monkeys" or "Apes". This is the same nonsense people post about "why havnt monkeys evolved yet?" Its ignorance of the understanding of evolution.
We had a common ancestor millions of years ago. Thats about all we have in common with chimpanzees. We where not an ape that all the sudden decided to stand up on its hind legs and develop tools like you see in the movies. It took millions of years. Think of them as distant cousins at the most, regardless we share roughly 98.5% of DNA.
To put it in prespective, your betting on a 1.5% chance that we are not related. I dont know about you, but I know what I would put my money on.
Ohh, and before you pick apart my post about "theory" how about you read about it and study it first? K?
Last edited by phyzik; 11-28-2012 at 02:33 AM.
have any of you guys ever question ur purpose on this earth, the purpose of life...
were we meant to be put on here to live through the sins of life, up and downs of life...why is going through life so hard...
then theres the phrase good people die young, did god select them to leave this pathetic life early to live a better life else where while the ones remain are force to live through it till one day we all meet again....
And since when is a "purpose" required to be alive?
Do animals feel the same purpose that you suggest? Why are they alive?
Why not just enjoy the fact that you are here and be satisfied with that?
my purpose is living life to the fullest. I dont need a higher purpose.
And if by chance, when I die, I end up meeting this mysterious, sadistic, omnipotent sick mother er that judges us all, I'll spit in his ing face for not giving a about us and gladly be damned about it. From what I have read, isnt as hot as Heaven if you apply math to it.
The chances of that are highly unlikely though, so I have no problem.
Last edited by phyzik; 11-28-2012 at 02:50 AM.
Great passages you quoted. I don't recall ever reading those words, so please refresh my memory. Which bible verses are they?
anthropology 101. go to school!
Can you say "out of context?"
You should read Isaiah 30. Even 30:25, the passage before it shows it is not talking heaven:
25 And there shall be upon every high mountain, and upon every high hill, rivers and streams of waters in the day of the great slaughter, when the towers fall.
the bible
Then why is this chart still in the text books?
I know you like to indulge in Beer like I do so I will post this again for the 9th time....
the Science books and Biology books say the earth took 2 million years to cool down and in the warm pools of liquid emerged the first signs of life. what do you not get?
according to your own Science "all life" evolved from the pools of liquid "including apes"
Why is it you and your thick headed Darwin worshipers can't grasp your own theories?
Last edited by mouse; 11-28-2012 at 12:04 PM.
well, when your education ends after high school you might perceive the world around you to be just what you learned in school. however, had you gone on and taken any anthro class you'd know different. , back in grade school through high school they taught you that the indians and pilgrims sat down together and celebrated a single day together happy which couldn't be further from the truth.Then why is this chart still in the text books?
I know you like to indulge in Beer like I do so I will post this again for the 9th time....
the Science books and Biology books say the earth took 2 million years to cool down and in the warm pools of liquid emerged the first signs of life. what do you not get?
according to your own Science "all life" evolved from the pools of liquid "including apes"
Why is it you and your thick headed Darwin worshipers can't grasp your own theories?
now, let's hear about how i dropped out of high school. yeah!
I can't imagine life with no faith in anything, must suck.
I don't quote passages, however the greatest commandment (according to Jesus himself) was to love the Christian God. It wasn't to believe the Christian God exists. Faith, as depicted in the Bible is about trust, not about existence. You cannot love something then develop a faith that it exists. You cannot develop a faith that something exists then grow to love your version of this thing you believe exists, at least you cannot do so rationally.
In order to have faith, you must have something to have faith in. Faith is the opposite of reason, since reason is based on process and faith is based on emotional need, most often absent of reason.
The story of the disciples in the storm on the Sea of Galilee illustrates a loss of faith when challenged with a life/death situation. The disciples weren't showing faith that Jesus exists. They were showing faith that Jesus' word was good. That trust/fatih wavered under duress.
In fact, any time in the Bible you encounter a show of faith, it's taking the speaker at his word. It's not about epistemological existential faith. Don't look for those words in the Bible either, they aren't in there. Perhaps Karl Barth would be a better read for you.
You also don't understand the concept of faith vs reason. You're re ed so it's understandable.
Re ed is thinking everything is governed by reason as we know it.
Pay attention dummy...
Explain the cell phone to 1478 Europe. Good luck!
How can you come to any conclusion without reason, even the one you just made?
If people in 1478 were claiming to know the cell phone, to have faith in it's existence, they would have been just as wrong as you are. It could be explained to them however. The cell phone was designed using concepts developed by people of that time period (people who didn't have Google).Pay attention dummy...
Explain the cell phone to 1478 Europe. Good luck!
Moving a god further into the gaps does nothing but display your lack of evidence to support the concept. If we cannot know, then why do theists say they know?
Some years ago some explorers found a lost tribe of natives living on one of those islands in the Phillipines, they were totally primitive, living just like their ancestors had lived. They had a stone God they worshipped.
So tell me, why do we humans have this need to have a superior being to worship? History is full of Gods, why?
The mistake you/others make is trying to attach science/logic/reasoning to this, this is that one time when none of that applies and you/others don't know how to deal with it. Einstein once wrote....we are like babes alone in the world we are not equipped to understand, this is out of our relm of understanding.
Last edited by Avante; 11-29-2012 at 02:25 AM.
if ppl didnt westernize or got out of the bushes, they still live like primeapes, hence even wankers in the city a few live like primeapes..
You are amazing, to be able to paraphrase things you don't understand.
Ease up a bit. He has every right to be re ed. This is America.
I hear ya, I gotten confess this topic/thread is soooooooooooooooo wore out. As we know most people do believe in something being out there, so some don't, big ing deal.
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