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where did you get those stats? the ESPN stats pages of those players have different tackle totals, and a few other minor differences.
where did you get those stats? the ESPN stats pages of those players have different tackle totals, and a few other minor differences.
Anyone that thinks ray Lewis is the GOAT is either a child or a ing re .
Color me shocked that trill is leaning that way.....
Reggie White?
Good riddance
Being one of the top 10 defensive players of all time is still pretty good.he wasnt even the best defensive player on his own team. I know he gives great pregame speeches and watches Gladiator every week to pump himself up, etc, but theres no player more overrated than the MLB who gets a load of tackles. Excellent player but i'll take alot of defensive greats over him.
per ESPN:
London: 1316 tackles (1921 combined)
Ray: 1558 tackles (2050 combined)
per pro football reference:
London: 1320 tackles (608 assists)
Ray: 1573 tackles (500 assists)
I can't think of a more worthless metric for judging defensive players- particularly MLB- than tackles. This coming from a Browns fan that watched tomato-can MLB's like Wali Rainer and Andra Davis rack up tons of tackles every season (most of them 5-10 yards downfield.)
I think tackles are at their most worthless regarding safeties. When you see a safety with a 100+ tackle season, it's more of a reflection on how bad his front 7 is at keeping runners from breaking into the secondary than anything else. I've seen a lot of safeties on bad teams get glorified because they have lots of tackles.
There's really no good stat at measuring linebackers (or safeties for that matter), and imo the way you judge their tackling totals is pretty much a case by case basis. When the player is primarily a WILB in a 3-4, the amount of tackles they have is pretty much worthless as the defense is designed for them to be able to roam freely. This is actually the year he's started to contribute more and make more plays, but Jerod Mayo has been overrated for years because of the way he racks tackles up in a system where he never has to fight through blocks or beat players to the edge.
Good to see Deion getting some love in here, only football jersey I ever cared to own.
Ray Lewis is probably the best MLB to ever play the game. Not that Butkus can't be in the argument if we look at vs an era.
Impossible to talk best defensive player, that's silly. Not unlike best QB vs best RB, really can't be done.
David "Deacon" Jones who was a sprinter in college (yep, dead serious, obviously when he was a little lighter) was a monster in his day. Emlen Tunnell who played way back in the day is still number two on the all time INT list. He is still considered one of best defenders ever. Imagine 14 INT's in a season, which is what "Night Train" Lane had in one season, he is number 4 on the all time list. 27 INT's in his first three seasons, and he wasn't even drafted, came out of a JC.
Was Lewis a better MLB than Lawrence Taylor was on the outside? Rod Woodson was an incredible safety, how about Ronnie Lott? Deion Sanders? Reggie White?
Lewis had a great career, yes he has a way about him and can motivate, but to try and make him out to be some sort of defensive GOAT, nay!!!
Imagine...
D-line
Reggie White
"Mean" Joe Greene
Merlin Olsen
Bruce Smith
backers
Ray Lewis
Lawrence Taylor
Derrick Thomas
DB's
Deion Sanders
"Night Train" Lane
Ronnie Lott
Rod Woodson
Wow~~~
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