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LOL getting emotional.
I meant Duncan #s n minutes 2-3 years ago similar to this years.
Dollys?
Nobody compared Duncan to Ginobili numbers. Again, apparently you have problems reading or your momma dropped you on your head when you were a kid.
Now read what you quoted again, and try to make a cogent argument.
LOL getting emotional.
I meant Duncan #s n minutes 2-3 years ago similar to this years.
Dollys?
19 ppg is similar to 13 ppg? Okay.
what?
Duncan averaged 18 3 years ago and 17 this year. Same # of minutes.
Nu uh. He averaged 12.7 ppg against a stacked Memphis frontcourt that kicked us out of the playoffs, and averaged 19.0 ppg two playoffs before then (and averaged even better before).
Duncan averaged 18 3 years ago and 17 this year. Same # of minutes.
Tim just isn't the dominant force that could carry this team through the playoffs, and neither is Manu. There's nothing wrong with that, father time catches up to everybody, and that's why the Spurs rely on other players now.
The positive thing about Manu being sidelined with this hamstring injury is that now we won't have to worry about him suffering an another, worse injury in the time that he is out.
Yea, all 32 teams are rushing to add Mike Finley to their team right now
Manu is 4th in the league in PER among SG, has the best assist ratio, is one of the best rebounders for the position, and has been on fire as a playmaker recently. Yet, because the guy is injury-prone, everyone wants him to retire. At this point, you squeeze everything you can out of Manu Ginobili and whatever juice you get out of it, be thankful and don't instead insist he should retire.
I agree, this is why they won't win a le because father time beats all and the factors that got us the les are older now (Which is a true superstar in his prime which can take over a game or series). We rely on other players now, they are not good enough to beat an elite team though.
Don't get me wrong Tim is a phenomenal player, and he has had a terrific career. It's just been a while since you would expect him to drop 20-10 as a matter of course, which for us spoiled Spurs fans was automatic not that long ago.
Thank you. Especially the guy saying he's stunting the growth of Gary "master chucker and horrible at the point" Neal, LOL. Unbelievably dumb takes. If you want Manu to retire, then you just don't want the Spurs to win another le in the TD era again. And as every team wanting to take Manu in a heartbeat is definitely true, only lottery bound teams would take Neal as a regular starter while the playoff contenders would only take Neal for the role player that he is (some teams would get pissed at him for some of the mind-numbingly stupid shots he takes, too).
You don't have to hate Neal to appreciate Manu. Neal and De Colo time will come, eventually.
Hopefully Neal and DeColo can learn from each other's deficiencies. If Neal improves his handling and passing, if DeColo can improve his shooting (which I have more confidence in), that would be pretty cool.
As for Manu, I love what he brings and next to Jax are my crunch time guys, but I hope he's willing to take a serious pay cut. He shouldn't make more than Duncan imo.
This injury isn't a big deal, however its an absurd that Manu is the best paid Spur. Fortunately, his deal and Jack's will expire after the season, the Spurs should re-sign them to reasonable contracts, bring Splitter and Neal back and add someone like David West.
Injuries are part of the game and is sure to be healthy for the playoffs. The problem is that he lacks endurance at this point, its max 2 good games in a series. Still valuable, but the Spurs need other players to step up. Last season, the Spurs didn't need much out of Manu the first two rounds, tbh I expected him to play better vs OKC.
This injury comes at an unfortunate moment, because he was playing well after struggling earlier in the season.
What is it with all the people saying that Manu should ing retire? He's probably been our best player during this slump the Spurs have been on. If he was a free agent, every contender in the league would be calling him up to play for them.
even much worse if you comparing the production of both players in the last few playoffs. Manudoll was out game 1 of that same series Grizz kicked our ass and his arm was broken for the rest. He was also hurt 3 out of the last 4 playoffs.
Duncan at least was in uniform all playoff games last 4 years.
But I never did. I never compared Tim and Manu, not sure why you want to steer the conversation that way.
Why do you paste a partial quote? Is the full quote not clear enough?
Here's the entire quote:
So I'm comparing Manu to Manu 3-4 seasons ago and Tim to Tim 3-4 seasons ago...
Now that we established you were wrong, do you have any other questions?
"like Tim" = comparison. you are alluding their rate of decline is somewhat similar.
it's ok. I forgive.
My point is that it's a bad comparison. Duncan is probably best case scenario(knock on wood) when it comes to aging NBA star. Manu is not worst case, but close to worst case scenario when it comes to aging NBA star. Facts are facts.
Was the entire quote not clear enough?
I mean, you're not the first poster to misread a post and jump the gun only to notice you misread. It's not that big of a deal, tbh.
I'm just not going to defend a comparison I never made.
Considering the Spurs have been fantastic in the regular season for the past couple (or more) seasons despite a gimpy Manu now and then and an ageing Duncan, I would not be too concerned about Manu's injury prone-ness, as long as he avoids it close to the playoffs and stays healthy in the playoffs.
Manu has only missed 3 games this year because of injuries. Complaining right now about him never being healthy seems a little odd. Jack said after the game it was "only" a strained and not a pulled hammy, so, hopefully, Manu will be back soon.
And it's the 40th game of the Spurs, most in the league so far this season.
Last edited by NickiRasgo; 01-14-2013 at 06:29 AM.
Maaan if you watched the game you know he needs to retire. He just steppped back an dropped to the floor. Almost didnt give a about the pass either. Manu is a great champion an he needs to go out that way. I say he push it to the limit this season an retire championship or not afterwards. He's to great of a player to be looked at as a player where they say he's a TO machine an just cant stay healthy. Then he would be taking away from younger group. An Tiago is gonna take whatever the spurs give him. The way he most times cant even finish around the rim. Please, all they gotta do is show that a film at signing time.
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