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none has mentioned Ray Allen or Reggie Miller yet..
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none has mentioned Ray Allen or Reggie Miller yet..
There is a good reason why.
Glen Rice? Chris Mullin?
It was hard to not have a spot for them either.
Durant is guaranteed 1st team on this tbh.
G - AI
G - MJ
F - KD
F - Malone?
C - Kareem
No. But I'm getting used to it now. One minute people here are decent the next post they're schizo. Whatever. Just passing time here at work.
Just don't take everything quite so literally, and you will be fine, lol.No. But I'm getting used to it now
This is definitely a great way to pass time at work. Makes my days fly by.
The argument that a scorer is a scorer regardless of when played is flawed. It's odd you call the inverse convenient without acknowledging the laziness in your own argument. Zone defenses and handchecking inhibited more scoring than you think. I suppose the opposite is I believe Thomas would be vastly superior statistically playing in this generation than his own.
Because we're talking about scorers, not shooters. Allen and Miller were deadly from distance but they didn't possess amazing post games and weren't known for consistently getting to the rim
Robinson is the only center not named Wilt to ever score >70, should he be on the 2nd team then?
Yup. Same thing goes fo Glen Rice and Mullin.
Yeah, he is a and needs to STFU if he can only complain about me spitting out my top all time scoring team.........I dont have 3 teams damnit. So get the over it. I will challenge you to anything and everything basketball. Playing, talking about it, debating it, you name it. I played ball since I was 7yrs old. Junior high, HS, limited college, and still averaged 17pts a game in the over 30 leagues. So STFU.
Players who have excellent scoring fundamentals will score in almost anything the defense throws at them. They may experience a dip in percentage but they will find a way to score. A player with a scoring mentality and is equipped with a great shooting touch will score plenty in any era.
Ok..........prove it then.You cant!!!! I just go by what they did when they played over their ENTIRE career. Gervin was basically unstoppable as were the others I mentioned during their era. This will always be a tough debate, so I just go with the numbers. Thats why there is a never ending debate over the Dream Team vs 2012's team. Who the z knowz.
To validate my point............ I played city league (over 30) a group of old white men.....all in their late 40's and 50's won the league going away. Against teams of younger men that were dunking, cross overs, played college, you name it. So NONE of that this era vs that era means nothing. Noone knows what someones scoring average would have been in a different time period. Go with how they played and scored WHEN they played and scored.
Arenas did not have excellent scoring fundamentals. He was wreckless in drives, and was an average to mediocre shooter. Put a wreckless guard in a handchecking, zone defense and he FTs diminish from less penetration, and his chucking increases, finding a decrease in efficiency.
Arenas averaged 7-8 threes a game... Taken. Imagine if he couldn't drive past his man.
IMO, there is a medium between both of your arguments.
Some players would definitely get affected by the different rules (handchecking in the past, zone in the present), however most of the top scorers wouldn't be affected too much. They would find ways to adjust. Maybe certain aspects of their game would be a little less effective, but let's not kid ourselves... people still hand check today, they just can't do it as blatantly as in the past, just like people played zone in the past, just had better ways of disguising it. Watch any elite defender, and you will still see them have a hand down near the hip of their defender, subtly holding them back. They just do it much more tightly so it isn't seen by refs.
Goddamn this is one of the worst "my point is right" arguments I have ever seen.Ok..........prove it then.
To validate my point............ I played city league (over 30) a group of old white men.....all in their late 40's and 50's won the league going away. Against teams of younger men that were dunking, cross overs, played college, you name it. So NONE of that this era vs that era means nothing. Noone knows what someones scoring average would have been in a different time period. Go with how they played and scored WHEN they played and scored.
You do realize you can't prove your side either?
That I was actually arguing that the 1980s had tougher defenses?
That I was making a specific argument against a specific player?
That rec league is not tantamount to NBA?
I never said skills were not transferable. I made the case Thomas' would be better vs. worse defense of today, and the unfundamentally sound chucked, Arenas, inversely would struggle more.
Specific cases, not generational generalities.
That argument can not be made, imo fwiw. The Three-point line was not ins uted till his last year (on his last leg).I would have Pistol Pete on the second team. He's one of best pure scorers the world has ever seen.
Considering his longrange skills and how many shots he took from way out, his numbers would climb significantly.
How significantly? IDK @ NBA, but at college
Prorated that would mean an 31.3 NBA Career PPG, good for an increase of 18 ranks in this list
What you just said, I basically agreed with in my last post. I said some players would definitely be affected.
However, I STRONGLY disagree that the 80's had better defense than today. IMO the 80's had awful defense in general, even with handchecking.
Peak, Arenas had 57% TS average while putting up a very good 24 PER. He averaged 29 ppg on 2 seasons. You don't get those numbers in the league for 2 yrs if you don't have excellent scoring fundamentals. This is not the D League. Gtfoh.
And Isiah is probably the worst example to prove your point. Dude averaged 75% at the line, which is ty for a point guard. And his best scoring average? He was attempting 19 FGA to average 20 points a game. That's horrible.
Where's the Stilt? He should be number 1. I understand Cap being on your first team, but he's the all-time leading scorer due to long term excellence. But Wilt was flat out the better scorer (Cap was the better overall player though).
Arenas was a product of getting to the FT line. Zone defenses and handchecking would negate some of this.
His shooting was always subpar.
There's a reason his stats plummeted upon loss of explosive quickness while players like Pierce have suffered injury and aged and are still better, more efficient scorers. That reason is a lack of fundamentals, lack of shooting skills, lack of structure.
And, stretch, overall offensive fundamentals were better in the 80s, so tougher aspects of defense weren't as effective. Once fundamentals declined, the league helped offense by regulating defense more.
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