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Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine ESPN sources say Pistons poised to send both Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to Grizzlies to acquire Jose Calderon as part of Rudy Gay deal
@sam_amick said Boston may be in the mix for Jose Calderon but unsure who is being made available (Paul Pierce / others)
Marc Stein @ESPNSteinLine ESPN sources say Pistons poised to send both Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye to Grizzlies to acquire Jose Calderon as part of Rudy Gay deal
ESPN sources say Dallas is other prime landing spot for Calderon, but I'm told Mavs reluctant to part with SF that Grizz want: Vince Carter
What a shrewd move by MEM. Gay, even with his flaws still is talented. And while not a perfect fit, I can't believe they really don't believe this team has a shot in the playoffs? Even if you somewhat think that, you rarely see shrewd moves such as this - especially when it's not perfectly clear cut you aren't a contender.
With regards to Calderon sticking with MEM - MEM won't do that because they have Conley and they seem to like Bayless who is on a much cheaper deal. While I think Calderon's shooting would be a great addition, I can see why not wanting the extra money and how having a solid vet PG like Calderon confined to a for sure back up role might cause issues.
Sucks for Ed Davis too. He was really starting to learn/break out and now he is stuck behind Gasol/Randolph/Authur in a stacked rotation. He will likely have pretty limited opportunity and minutes now which is unfortunate.
Looks like it's Calderon to DET for just Prince+2nd round pick. Interesting since they have Knight.
My first reaction is that this is a pretty good haul for the Grizz. Ed Davis is a very good prospect. Not too crazy about Daye but he's got some potential I guess. Tayshaun is a pretty good and cheap replacement as well that should fit in seamlessly. I've liked Hollinger's moves so far tbh.
Colangelo is still a f'n re tho.
Gay for Prince, Daye, Davis and about 5M lopped off of this year's payroll. Another 15M or so in future savings. Not bad.
Until they trade Randolph this summer.
Spurs might have more problems with them now but not necessarily because Davis will be playing. Davis is a good player but he's nowhere near Randolph's level. Not even close actually. I don't know how much you watched the Raptors but Davis is a similar player to Amir Johnson. Probably his main skill is rebounding and getting easy baskets. He's a so-so defender. That's great (he is a good player) but it's safe to say that the Grizzlies won't be riding Davis to wins or anything like that. When SA plays Memphis, I'm pretty confident that Diaw will be able to outplay Davis if he doesn't coast.
What will probably hurt the Spurs is Memphis going more through guys like Gasol and Randolph with Gay out of the line-up. So far KL has been able to lock him down. And of course every shot Gay took was one that their bigs weren't. TD and Splitter will have their work cut out for them with this frontcourt if the Grizzlies are going back to being big-oriented again. But the power balance should more or less stay the same. Even after they trade Randolph tbh.
Last edited by TheSkeptic; 01-30-2013 at 06:19 PM.
wow man if that's true, that's a really really terrible trade for the grizzlies.. getting raped by the raptors, that's quite somthing.. still, i'm not sure what kind of game could gay-derozan-lowry play toghether, they don't seem to fit.
Pretty sure Daye is not involved....Nevermind - it's final - Daye is involved.
Prince has 2 years 15M so not exactly cheap either. Overall, I still can't believe their mindset (MEM) is that they aren't contenders. Have to believe they can stay the same/slightly improve while losing Gay (which very well may be true). Depends on how much Prince has left (haven't watched him much this year). Ed Davis certainly gives them great depth (4 pretty damn good bigs).
TOR, I have no idea what you are thinking. I get you want some star power and you are weak at SF. But you aren't really in the playoff race & Bargs isn't good and is still an issue. Yes, this opens up time for the better player in Lowry and pairs him with some athletes to run (which is Lowry's game) in DeRozan and Gay, but their still lacking outside shooting (Bargs is ok there) and a good C. Lots of holes but you might argue they are slightly more talented overall (but is it worth it)
They might, but to me that is not a given especially with Gay gone and the money they have saved. I really struggle to believe they think they are far off from contending vs them just thinking they don't take a hit to their contender status by losing Gay.
There we go
A deal for the Memphis Grizzlies to send Rudy Gay to the Toronto Raptors has been agreed upon, according to sources.
The Raptors will send out Jose Calderon and Ed Davis for Gay and Hamed Haddadi.
The Pistons will acquire Calderon, with the Grizzlies receiving Tayshaun Prince and Austin Daye.
They had to take a SF back, so it's not a surprise. With Holinger working for the MEM office, it's not a surprise they moved Gay for a "meh"package. Gay's advanced stats were horrible for a guy paid like a star.
I agree with Mel. With a move like that, I am damn sure they will move Z-Bo after this season.
3-Team trade agreed in principle:Raptors get: Rudy Gay and Hammed HadadiGrizzlied get: Tayshaun Prince, Austin Daye, Ed Davis, and 2nd round pick (from Detroit)Pistons get: Jose Calderon
We'll see, but these two trades have Hollinger written all over them. Trading Randolph while his value is high for younger, cheaper players is the next logical step.
And Hollins won't be back next season.
Yeah I'm not sure what Toronto stands to gain with this move honestly. But on the flipside at least Calderon and Davis are probably headed to less dysfunctional teams.
Completely agree about moving Randolph after this season. They shouldn't see a noticeable dip in production with Davis starting full-time or anything, but they'll have to find a guard or someone who can replace Randolph's clutch scoring ability. Hollinger's earning his money tbh. Colangelo on the other hand...
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I am absolutely shocked at how much power Hollinger has in this FO. This is some serious stuff and it's happened fast as . I mean, I guess you don't bring him in just to hamstring him, but damn
I personally think MEM will be every bit as dangerous overall so in that regard, great deal. They have by far the best big man rotation in the league, stout defense and the only real thing they lack is shooting from 3. Still a pretty dangerous team and there are always cheap serviceable shooters they can sign.
It will be interesting to see how Gay fares in TOR. Lowry/DeRozan/Gay is a crazy athletic 1/2/3, but if Bargnani is still Bargnani, they are going to have some serious issues. Maybe a change of scenery will revive Gay some though but I'm not paying that price on that kind of gamble. Luckily it's just two years left on the contract, but 37M
Incredibly ty take from Kendrick P
Perkins wtf
Love the move for DET. They might be able to make a little push for the 8th seed now (especially if Monroe snaps out of it) and Calderon is an expiring contract. So he definitely helps their guard play, might help them make the playoffs (still a bit of a stretch) and he's off the books where TP was still 2yrs/15M + Daye 1yr/2M. Smart move.
Also, am I just being a dummy, but was TOR under the cap? I thought they were over the cap and if so how did they take on more salary?
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