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Rodgers
Manning
Brady
Brees
That's it.
Why do people compare QB's by basing their head-to-head record? The QB's face the others defense.... it's not like a one on one basketball game.
Rodgers
Manning
Brady
Brees
That's it.
Bad take, Trill. Really bad.
Also, the only argument that can be made against Flacco at this point (as evidenced by this thread) is that he's not a shameless stat-padder like Drew Brees.
Because it's the most important and impactful position in all of sports by a country mile--and you're judged by how well you perform against your peers.
Peyton, A-rodgers
*shrugs*
sorry fam, i think Ryan is better.
yes i know ryan is 1-4 in playoffs, but look at the 4 teams they lost to.
meanwhile, before this year, flacco beat scrub opponents and lost to the afc big dawgs.
flacco had a great defense, solid receivers and a good running back to help carry him.
i'd put him and matt ryan in the same class, neither is top tier yet.
i don't think its a reach choosing ryan over flacco at all. neither is that much better than the other.
Matt Ryan is better than Flacco. Ryan plays with a strong collection of skilled players and a solid defense yet can't get it done. Flacco was the biggest for the Ravens success this postseason. Ryan isn't capable of doing what Flacco did.
That's a dubious argument. Both Flacco and Ryan have been eliminated each year by the teams that have gone on to win their conference. You can't excuse Ryan for losing to good compe ion while arguing Flacco couldn't beat good teams. The fact that Ryan has missed the playoffs makes it even harder to see how his record can be excused. At best, you could say they were about even in the playoffs.
Until this year, where Flacco beat all the big dogs by having a historical performance while Ryan's team couldn't keep two leads in a row thanks in large part to his own turnovers. Flacco also accomplished this with Rice being so ineffective that his backup outplayed him, and the Ravens' defense setting a record for the most yards given up in a post-season. I don't know where you get the idea that Flacco was carried to anything.
In my opinion, the comparison between the two is not close and hasn't been since their sop re years. If their draft ranks were switched, no one would be even trying to make this argument.
When you're butthurt about a mulatto losing the superbowl and have an agenda to your argument, sure you can!
stop it.
when you say flacco is elite and equal to p manning and brady then i take your opinion with a grain of salt.
thats a reach.
not butthurt at all.
not to derail the thread by continuing this argument but i respect your opinion and i like i said, to me, i don't see a a huge difference in the two.
flacco has a better team and has always had a better team. people were going for flacco's neck every year for not getting to the superbowl with the teams and defenses he was blessed with.
but going back to the original question of the elite qb's, of course those who think flacco is elite would say he's better than ryan lol.
Flacco's had better teams? NOBODY has the offensive toys that Ryan has to play with. Gonzo, JJ, Roddy White, etc. Up until the last year and a half Turner was killing it too (even though Jacquizz Rodgers has picked up the load nicely since then). Flacco has 4 playoff losses: Big Ben x2, Brady, and P. Manning--all on the road. 3 of Ryan's 4 playoff losses came at HOME. By saying Ryan is better than Flacco you fully admit to putting all your stock in stat-padding losers.
Matt Ryan also hasn't been cursed with Cam Cameron as the offensive coordinator for basically his entire career.
ryan has weapons but no defense.
i'd even say the ravens wr's are as good or better than the falcons.
again, lets not derail the thread.
flacco is not an elite qb. i think thats a bigger reach than me saying ryan is better to be quite honest with you.
I don't think Flacco could have led the Saints to the Super Bowl le like Brees did in 2009.
just stop it, fam
Ryan has way more talent to work with compared to Flacco. The Falcons defense isn't as bad as people make it out to be. It's not like the Ravens had a strong defense this season. Not like in years past. But the Falcons have way more skilled pieces. I do admit Flacco has a much better o-line, but the Falcons offense isn't as efficient as it should with the weapons they have and Ryan is a big reason why. He's not consistent in games. Has a great quarter or two and then will be erratic during certain parts of the game.
then why are we comparing flacco to ryan and not brees, p manning and rodgers?
there is no comparison.
flacco and ryan are compared because they're in the same boat.
non elite but good qb's.
So you're admitting that the opinion Ryan > Flacco was a reach?
lol aye i s with bolden.
that bailed flacco out quite a few times this year.
i'd take julio over him but not that roddy.
But Flacco surpassed Ryan with what he's done in the playoffs. If Flacco is not elite, which I wouldn't rank him with the elites, he's at least very good and proven more than Ryan.
nope.
So you're admitting that the opinion Ryan > Flacco was a reach?
you think its a reach but i don't.
i do think saying flacoo is elite is a reach. which is why he's being compared to ryan and there are no comparisons to the true elite qb's.
cuz he's not elite.
i agree and so is ryan.
Probably not (he was only an NFL soph at that point), but his playoff run is kind of overrated. Arizona=overmatched opponent, Warner KO'd. Minnesota=15 AP fumbles, Favre going Favre in the clutch. SB=2 biggest plays of the game were the onsides kick and TP's pick-6.
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