The sounds of smith is great but the thought of getting him w/o having to give up splitter or kawhi is laughable. I'm sure Atlanta can get more than the spurs junk, for their best player? Why would they want the spurs first round picks, when they are essentially 2nd rounders? Lol it's not like Atlanta has the spurs scouting dept.
Wow. Ferry has a job to do. Make Atlanta better. Some of you seem to think he still works for S.A.
With all the taxes teams have to pay, i dont know if Smith can get a max contract. I think the Spurs have a chance of getting him, but like most say, not including the Big 3, TS and KL.
Lets see what happens, the Spurs shouldnt put themselfs in a position where they have 4-5 PG on the roster that dont play.
According to Gery Woelfel of the Milwaukee Journal Times, "Boston is salivating over Atlanta forward Josh Smith and would be receptive to unloading Brandon Bass and Jeff Green to obtain him."
*A. Sherrod Blakely of CSNNE.com reported Saturday that the Celtics aren't very interested in trading two players for one, since they already have so few healthy bodies.
If the Celtics really were offering that, do you think Danny would take it? Green is owed $22 millon over the next 2 and a half seasons and Bass is owed about $16 million over the same amount of time. Not sure if Ferry would want to take on role players with that much left on their contracts. That's $38 million total. Should be interesting to see where he ends up. Would be amazing if it was in the silver and black.
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@ the idea of any team willfully taking on the contract of Jeff Green.
Ferry worked his ass off to unload contracts and clear cap space, I don't think he did that to pay bass and green $38 million.
Of course Boston would be salivating over a Smith/Green+Bass swap. That's a horrible trade for Atlanta. They're essentially trading Smith for 2 overpaid role players. Jeff Green is owed more than 22m. He got his 36m/4y contract this season.
Danny Ferry won't touch it. If he does, he is dumber than I thought tbh.
i think you've explained well the very reason Ferry won't take that deal in your last paragraph. It would be inconsistent with their movements to date. In a Jax centric deal at least ATL keeps most of the cap relief this year. It's really whether they like what they get for that 3m difference in salaries.
i'm not a jeff green hater like other people in here, but i do think bass is overpaid. if i were ferry i wouldn't take the celtics offer.
Ditto for me too. I'm also starting to warm up to the Josh Smith trade idea, so long as Splitter and Leonard are not involved. The Spurs cannot afford to part with either - especially for what could wind up being a 1/2 season rental. Any other combination of Jack's expiring contract, Bonner and Blair would be just fine. I'd also prefer the Spurs not have to give up any 1st round picks to make it happen. Let's face it, these picks are going to be so low, that they probably wouldn't help the Hawks anyway.
Meanwhile, I feel the potential acquisition of Smith would really help bolster the Spurs defensive capabilities in a potential WCF matchup versus the OKC Thunder. Last week, I thought this was just a pipe dream, and it still may be, but I'm starting to warm up to the potential possibilities.
there should be a #letsmithspur, but that'd be pretty ed up for danny.
Jeff Green is a decent player, a tweener. But he's a TY player for what his salary actually command. While Smith max salary demand seems ridiculous for next summer, his current salary is actually quite reasonable. So not only Atlanta gives up the better player in that deal, they would also have to open their rear and accept Ainge going in without lube by swallowing TWO horrible contracts at the same time ?
That's exactly the
That's actually a worse trade that the Spurs expirings. Bass and Green are RJ style overpaid crap, and theyre thinknig ATL wants both.
And now package with Blair, CoJo, Neal and Jackson is looking very good
Of the teams listed, The wizards and bucks might be the only teams that can offer a better package than the spurs. The wizards have a lotto pick but not sure what their expiring contracts look like. The bucks have Ellis and Jennings and a bunch of young bigs, but not sure if they would wanna commit to smith considering they've been in that purgatory of 6-9 seed range the past 3 years. Also, smith is kind of redundant unless sanders is part of the package. If I was the hawks I'm not sure i would wanna commit to Jennings or Ellis long term for the same reasons, unless they use them as a one year rental to obtain Henson or sanders.
"By and large, the speculation surrounding Josh Smith has been discouraging for the Atlanta Hawks, with few enticing offers being made. The Milwaukee Bucks may have finally made an intriguing offer, according to Wolstat, with Brandon Jennings andErsan Ilyasova being the main pieces."
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1533264-nba-rumors-latest-on-utah-jazz-josh-smith-and-other-trade-deadline-buzz
Interesting though since Ilyasova just signed a 5 year, $40 million deal last year. Not sure if Danny Ferry wants that on the books. He's a good, young player though, so I wouldn't be surprised. This is by far the best rumored deal I've heard of for Smith imo. If it's true, wouldn't be surprised if he took it. I think it'd be dumb for Milwaukee though, because I can almost guarantee that Smith wouldn't re-sign there, even if they offer him close to a max deal (which I doubt they would anyways).
Milwaukee offer is good only for Hawks. Bucks wont do it, unless Smith sign extension right away, which I doubt.
I still believe that Hawks wouldnt get anything good for Smith, and they do it with Spurs for Neal, CoJo and picks + fillers
The new CBA has tightened rules for trade and extend or extend and trade moves. In such cases, the max extension Smith could get would pay him a little below $30M for 2 years. I don't see how Smith would be fine with it. The new CBA makes it also harder for Hawks to do a sign and trade this summer with Smith.
The team that will trade for Smith will take a risk because he will be for sure an unrestricted free agent this summer. As said in the Sam Amico article, it lowers his trade value.
Last edited by Bruno; 02-18-2013 at 07:20 AM.
So basiclly trading for Smith is only a half year loan, and than everybody with salary cup space can lure him ?
In such regard, Hawks will trade him for any package, since a pick is better than nothing. And then why would anybody trade anything that matches Smith value as basketball players.
I can see this Bucks trade happening, tho. They want to dump Ilyasova. Bucks have players, which Ilyasova is blocking from playing, and they dont want to overpay Jennings. And Jennings will get high bid from Dallas for example. If Hawks are looking for PF with 3pt range and reasonable price - Ilyasova could be their anwser.
What the Bucks proposal tells me is that Josh Smith WILL get max dollars somewhere. Ridiculously. Only way he stays at Bucks is at top dollar.
The team that trades for him gets an advantage: his Bird rights. They get to offer one more contract year and a higher percentage of annual raises.
Anyone can shoot. He doesn't make enough to space the floor, even in long two pointers. His percentages from there and outside the arc are below average, even well below average. OTOH, for posters complaining about our offensive rebounding numbers, many more opportunities would suddenly be available from Smith's bricks.
If the Bucks would be willing to give up Jennings the Hawks should jump at that deal.
He's even below 50% TS. Being below league average TS% (which is around the 53% mark this season IIRC) is already a red flag, and scoring on roughly less of your shooting possessions won't do for a team that prides itself on getting efficient shots (the Spurs are top 3 in team TS% despite being below average in FTAs, fwiw).
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