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judging by your similar avatars, i'm quite sure that dirkoneandoneski is your troll.
would you want a Mexican doctor delivering your baby? no. Come to America, have the Indians do it.
judging by your similar avatars, i'm quite sure that dirkoneandoneski is your troll.
This writes paragraphs about the smallest lakers related stuff, but only musters up a throwawy one liner. Pussy ass, ignorant dum .
Because your entire argument was:This writes paragraphs about the smallest lakers related stuff, but only musters up a throwawy one liner. Pussy ass, ignorant dum .
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
It wasn't worth a thoughtful reply. UTSA obviously didn't teach you how to debate properly and we'd simply go around in circles. You personally know some hard-working illegals who pay taxes. Good for you
That said, here's some facts about the actual economic impact your people have:
- Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
- Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
- With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
- On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
- *Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
- If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
- Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status -- what most illegal aliens would become -- can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
- Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
- The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain -- many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
- The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants' education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact.
http://www.cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor
*"The anchor baby thing is overblown by dumb s like you." - FKLA
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The chicos are taking their land back. They learned the lesson get the whole place crowded of su gente then take over it. Like some old crook called Sam Houstoun did years ago. Almost the same for California, everybody ran after the oro...and purple.
plata y negro >>> oro y puto
lol utsa
Does this include the Mexicans that check the "I'm white" box for the census?
So the conclusion is that bean3rs aren't a drain because they're lazy. It's because they're stupidBecause your entire argument was:
http://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/anecdotal
It wasn't worth a thoughtful reply. UTSA obviously didn't teach you how to debate properly and we'd simply go around in circles. You personally know some hard-working illegals who pay taxes. Good for you
That said, here's some facts about the actual economic impact your people have:
- Households headed by illegal aliens imposed more than $26.3 billion in costs on the federal government in 2002 and paid only $16 billion in taxes, creating a net fiscal deficit of almost $10.4 billion, or $2,700 per illegal household.
- Among the largest costs are Medicaid ($2.5 billion); treatment for the uninsured ($2.2 billion); food assistance programs such as food stamps, WIC, and free school lunches ($1.9 billion); the federal prison and court systems ($1.6 billion); and federal aid to schools ($1.4 billion).
- With nearly two-thirds of illegal aliens lacking a high school degree, the primary reason they create a fiscal deficit is their low education levels and resulting low incomes and tax payments, not their legal status or heavy use of most social services.
- On average, the costs that illegal households impose on federal coffers are less than half that of other households, but their tax payments are only one-fourth that of other households.
- *Many of the costs associated with illegals are due to their American-born children, who are awarded U.S. citizenship at birth. Thus, greater efforts at barring illegals from federal programs will not reduce costs because their citizen children can continue to access them.
- If illegal aliens were given amnesty and began to pay taxes and use services like households headed by legal immigrants with the same education levels, the estimated annual net fiscal deficit would increase from $2,700 per household to nearly $7,700, for a total net cost of $29 billion.
- Costs increase dramatically because unskilled immigrants with legal status -- what most illegal aliens would become -- can access government programs, but still tend to make very modest tax payments.
- Although legalization would increase average tax payments by 77 percent, average costs would rise by 118 percent.
- The fact that legal immigrants with few years of schooling are a large fiscal drain does not mean that legal immigrants overall are a net drain -- many legal immigrants are highly skilled.
- The vast majority of illegals hold jobs. Thus the fiscal deficit they create for the federal government is not the result of an unwillingness to work.
The results of this study are consistent with a 1997 study by the National Research Council, which also found that immigrants' education level is a key determinant of their fiscal impact.
http://www.cis.org/High-Cost-of-Cheap-Labor
*"The anchor baby thing is overblown by dumb s like you." - FKLA
The term anchor baby implies that these kids are being popped out as a strategy to prevent deportation and to eventually gain citizenship. Thats ignorant and has nothing to do with the part you asterisked. Im telling you it has more to do with them wanting a family just like everyone else. Anyways, it seems like you and the article take the costs of these kids, who are US citizens and legally en led to any services they receive and tack them on to the cost of actual illegals. I guess if illegals werent here to begin with their legal babies wouldnt be here, but its still a misleading statistic. It actually pretty much shows that if you exclude the children, and just look at the people that are by law illegal, they provide alot more for the government than they pay. So you can throw the they dont pay taxes bull out the window.
That article also states illegal immigrant households cost half as much as an average household, that illegal immigrants account for 0.3 % of the cost of welfare, and that in general they abuse the system a whole lot less than any other demographic. I mean if you wanna be a head and hate them because their American-born babies cost the government money (what kid doesnt cost money?) cool but dont make ignorant generalizations about how they 'spit out anchor babies, get on welfare, and demand that we speakie the spanish'. It makes you look like a bigot.
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illegals also call the fire department and go to the hospital disproportionately more times per capita than any other group which probably isn't factored into those costs. The one time I've been to the hospital in as long as I can remember there were countless be@ners ahead of me who were there because either they or their kid had a tummy ache.
Then again going to the hospital for the most minor bull when you don't have medical insurance and expect the state to cover it is a white trash thing too. Calling the fire department however is something Messicans love to do.
^The hospital visits are included, Im assuming calling the fire department would be included in cost of household but not sure. The prison cost is just the government being stupid, if anybody should be getting deported its those s.Prisons, Schools, the Uninsured, and Immigration. There are four areas where the estimated costs illegal households impose are much larger than for other households--treatment for the uninsured, federal aid to schools, federal prisons/courts, and the immigration system. Figures for the uninsured simply reflect the fact that such a large share of illegal aliens and their children lack health insurance. With more than half of persons in illegal households lacking health coverage, illegal households account for a very large share of the costs of treating the uninsured. As for schools, although they are primarily paid for by state and local governments, the federal government now provides more than $28 billion for primary and secondary education. Moreover, Washington gives schools some assistance in paying for children with limited English and for the children of agricultural workers. Not surprisingly, illegal households account for a disproportionate share of these programs. Illegal households impose very significant costs on the federal education budget, however, mainly because illegal households have more school-age children on average. The costs for the federal prison and court system are also significant because, although persons in illegal households account for about 3.6 percent of the nation's total population, illegals now account for almost one-fifth of those in federal prison and others processed by the federal courts. Thus, they impose costs on that system that are disproportionally high relative to their share of the total population. This is also true for the immigration system. As indicated in the methodology section, the costs of the immigration system are assigned based on the distribution by household of post-1980 non-citizens. This probably understates the costs of illegals to the immigration system because enforcement alone, which is directed specifically at illegal aliens, accounts for two-thirds of the immigration budget. Nonetheless, it is certainly not surprising that illegal aliens account for a large share of the costs of the immigration system because so much of that system is focused specifically on them.
They get deported, come back and commit more crimes. Deporting illegals who commit crimes has proven itself as a failed procedure.
Why do illegals go to the hospital every time they get an upset stomach tho, serious question? Are they that enamored with a country that has modern medicine that going to hospitals is like going to a museum for them? They should take a bus to Canada if efficient healthcare is so amazing to them.
But we can't "exclude the children," because, you know, they are their in' children. It's not a misleading statistic at all, since the people having those babies are ILLEGAL immigrants and have no legal right to be in the United States. The resulting economic impact of those births has every right to "be tacked on to the cost of illegals" because it's the illegals who are having them. You just can't "exclude it" because you feel like it.It actually pretty much shows that illegals that if you exclude the children the actual illegals provide alot more for the government than they pay. So you can throw the they dont pay taxes bull out the window.
"He isn't such a bad guy. Just exclude the fact that he murdered 17 people, and his existence is actually beneficial!"
And pay 1/4th the taxes, meaning they are more of a net drain overall than an average household. Was basic math part of the curriculum at UTSA?That article also states illegal immigrant households cost half as much as an average household,
Bottom line: Your people have a negative effect on the U.S. economy.
I dont know tbh. The illegals Ive come across arent really like unless its their kids, since theyre overly protective of them. Actually had a friend a couple of years ago that had a beer bottle cracked on his head and he wasnt willing to go to the hospital because he was afraid.
Because if it's free, why not?
Plus, little Juan gets a free lolipop from the nice doctor.
I acknowledged that, didnt I? I said if you wanna be an asshole and hate a group of people because their babies cost the government money then cool but the other was just ignorant, bigotry on your part.
"But they cost half as much!"
My ignorance is just as a "legitimate" as your ignorance, since my experience with illegals has been negative. The majority of illegals I've encountered behaved like I described: Demanding, en led, arrogant, and just downright repulsive. And yes, it is an ignorant point-of-view, since it's anecdotal, just like your feel-good stories of illegals being upstanding, contributing members of society who want nothing more than a family and a better life.
I also live in Southern California, and we simply have a different breed of bean3r than you do in Texas. Many illegals out here are criminal gangbangers.
San Antonio - 61.2% Mexican or Latino.
Wow, what a nightmare. I can't even remember the last time I saw a Mexican here.
Why is it that when illegals want a "family" they feel the need to pop out 7-8 welfare babies? White people (non-mormon) usually stop at 2-3 babies and call it a day.
_JaG, coming out of the bushes from nowhere and harrassing -skinned people in the rectangular area under the rim.
The worst part about the politics of LA and SA is that politicians will never legitimately do anything to crack down on illegals because their campaigns are entirely dependent on pandering to mexicans so they can get votes. It's a vicious cycle that will only result in more and more barbacoa restaurants filled with illegals.
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