Next Playstation and XBox thread

[baseline bum]

Is this ing thing really going to be $400-$500? All it looks like is a PC except you can't do work on it. With Sony and MS both going x86 that means the PC ports should be trivial and thus of much higher quality, so it seems like buying a new console would be ing re ed. When I bought my XBox360 for $450 it had way more than $450 worth of hardware, but paying that now for an obsolete system when PC ports are practically guaranteed to be high quality?

[NASpurs]

So, just to be clear here:

You're posting in a sports forum meant almost entirely/exclusively for the purposes of discussion, while simultaneously turning your nose up at people who would debate the issue with you? Of course you have a choice. I even said that's a good thing. I'm just debating the alternatives and the relative advantages/disadvantages of consoles and PCs.

I fail to understand how debating soccer is so grown up and manly but debating video games is something for teenagers, especially since you're posting in a tech section.

And symple, he's probably just still tired from the last round of discussions.

No I have a problem getting into a long out discussion on which is better because it just comes down to choice and personal preference if you have to choose one or the other. I can buy BOTH so getting into a debate with me about personal choice is futile. It's true, consoles have reached a point of diminishing returns because seeing as the PS4 has become too PC centric when it comes to hardware, then yeah it's more or less a mid-tier PC system. It's true when you said that there was a time when new consoles were ahead of PCs and it took PCs a few years to catch up but now with the way the PS4 is put together, those days seem to be gone. But like I said, it comes down to the games and if you have both, games that are on both the PC and even in the newer consoles, will look better on the PC. But I don't give a about that because I was never into that, not even in the SNES/Genesis days when games were better on the SNES compared to the Genesis... minus a few. What I care about is the exclusive games that are only meant to be on consoles ( Sony as well as a lesser degree, Nintendo games). As long as those two exist, I will continue to buy consoles and as I said before, PC exclusives don't grab me. I used to be a big PC gamer so it's not like I don't know the appeal. I'm just not into that "scene" anymore. I just want to pop a game into my console, play and move on. I want to use my PC for internet browsing and the occasional Indie game. But long gone are the days when I used to sit down on my computer desk chair and play PC games until the morning. Just not me anymore,so yeah preferences.

There's nothing to debate. New consoles are weak compare to high powered PCs but that's not the point as to why some of us prefer to game on consoles.

[Cry Havoc]

No I have a problem getting into a long out discussion on which is better because it just comes down to choice and personal preference if you have to choose one or the other. I can buy BOTH so getting into a debate with me about personal choice is futile. It's true, consoles have reached a point of diminishing returns because seeing as the PS4 has become too PC centric when it comes to hardware, then yeah it's more or less a mid-tier PC system. It's true when you said that there was a time when new consoles were ahead of PCs and it took PCs a few years to catch up but now with the way the PS4 is put together, those days seem to be gone. But like I said, it comes down to the games and if you have both, games that are on both the PC and even in the newer consoles, will look better on the PC. But I don't give a about that because I was never into that, not even in the SNES/Genesis days when games were better on the SNES compared to the Genesis... minus a few. What I care about is the exclusive games that are only meant to be on consoles ( Sony as well as a lesser degree, Nintendo games). As long as those two exist, I will continue to buy consoles and as I said before, PC exclusives don't grab me. I used to be a big PC gamer so it's not like I don't know the appeal. I'm just not into that "scene" anymore. I just want to pop a game into my console, play and move on. I want to use my PC for internet browsing and the occasional Indie game. But long gone are the days when I used to sit down on my computer desk chair and play PC games until the morning. Just not me anymore,so yeah preferences.

There's nothing to debate. New consoles are weak compare to high powered PCs but that's not the point as to why some of us prefer to game on consoles.

Reasonable post. As far as the exclusivity goes though, that's pretty much out the window now. The Ps4 is x86 based, meaning ports are going to be incredibly easy to make for PC and vice-versa.

I still think that arguing which is better between PC/Ps4/720 is roughly the equivalent of arguing about Man City vs. Chelsea.

[NASpurs]

Reasonable post. As far as the exclusivity goes though, that's pretty much out the window now. The Ps4 is x86 based, meaning ports are going to be incredibly easy to make for PC and vice-versa.

I still think that arguing which is better between PC/Ps4/720 is roughly the equivalent of arguing about Man City vs. Chelsea.

the difference is that Man City and Chelsea will play on the pitch and we can find out which is better while PC/consoles are inanimate objects sucking our wallets dry.

But yeah, console ports are going to be easy to port especially third party developers who want to release it to as many platforms as they can. But as far as first party developers are concern, that's where my money is going.

[lefty]

That's really not the issue here. And if it is, why even bother buying a Ps4? Why bother even looking at the new systems? The PS3 has capable graphics from a generation or two ago, and unless you've played every game, there are "new" les out there to enjoy. You're telling me, "graphics don't matter" yet you're willing to drop $500+ on a system to meet that end. It doesn't add up.

boom

[mingus]

That's really not the issue here. And if it is, why even bother buying a Ps4? Why bother even looking at the new systems? The PS3 has capable graphics from a generation or two ago, and unless you've played every game, there are "new" les out there to enjoy. You're telling me, "graphics don't matter" yet you're willing to drop $500+ on a system to meet that end. It doesn't add up.



That's actually exactly what they did with the Ps3. It was outrageously expensive at launch - $600. But it cost Sony something like $1300 to make each Ps3, if I remember correctly.



It's not, but we're quickly approaching a point of diminishing returns on consoles because PCs are so cheap these days. When the Ps3 and 360 came out, they were pretty far ahead of the PC architecture at the time. I think the year after, PC started to catch up with it's top end cards, but it still cost $1200+ to put together a system. Now, gaming rigs can be made for ~$500 or less with the new AMD APUs.

Choices are great, but at this point PCs are just a much better value overall, especially if you build it yourself. And honestly, the simplicity argument is almost a non-issue these days. It does take some skill to build a system, but gaming on a computer is incredibly easy with services like Steam and GOG that take care of everything for you, and are incredibly reliable.



But you're now paying $500+ for a gaming system. That is a huge chunk of money. I wouldn't call it insecurity, I would call it being flummoxed by the fact that people are still willing to pay premium dollar for consoles that are aging so quickly.



It's not just gamers that are stating how limited consoles are.

http://www.pcgamer.com/2013/02/20/cr...n-consoles-pc/

Im not going to be buying next gen systems for graphics. I'll be buying them because they'll stop making games for older systems.

[Cry Havoc]

Im not going to be buying next gen systems for graphics. I'll be buying them because they'll stop making games for older systems.

So you've played every Ps3 and every Xbox 360 game? Why would you pay $500 for a system and $60 for new games when you could own an older console for $200 and have a massive library of 500+ $20-40 les?

[Cry Havoc]

the difference is that Man City and Chelsea will play on the pitch and we can find out which is better while PC/consoles are inanimate objects sucking our wallets dry.

Which kind of makes even LESS sense to debate it, doesn't it? Since there's an obvious conclusion. Whereas PCs and consoles are somewhat nebulous and have a lot of good points going for them either way, so the debate is pretty open.

But yeah, console ports are going to be easy to port especially third party developers who want to release it to as many platforms as they can. But as far as first party developers are concern, that's where my money is going.

And that's honestly the biggest reason why I'm a PC gamer these days. I had nearly as much fun from indie les like FTL, Chivalry, Natural Selection 2, and League of Legends (hard to call that "indie" now but it was when I started playing) as I have playing everything else. And the total I paid for those 4 games was a grand total of maybe $40.

[NASpurs]

Which kind of makes even LESS sense to debate it, doesn't it? Since there's an obvious conclusion.

I get what you're saying but there's never really a debate on which team is better. Usually in the soccer forum, all we do is talk about each other's team, talk about roster moves, transfer window deadline, have game threads about certain matches and talk about Messi. There's never a debate about team X vs team Y. But I get what you mean. It's never like in the NBA/Spurs forum matching each position and saying Parker>Nash, Kobe > Green, MWP > Leonard, etc. and getting into a debate about the teams. Soccer is way too hard, dynamic, too many variables and unpredictable for that.

And that's honestly the biggest reason why I'm a PC gamer these days. I had nearly as much fun from indie les like FTL, Chivalry, Natural Selection 2, and League of Legends (hard to call that "indie" now but it was when I started playing) as I have playing everything else. And the total I paid for those 4 games was a grand total of maybe $40.

Recommend me some more Indie games when you get the chance. I've been out of the loop far too long and don't know what's good. I'm playing Primordia and it's been fun so far.

[z0sa]

For me, the main difference between PC and console will always be the mouse and keyboard. I play mostly everything on low graphics settings anyway to avoid any lag issues (yeah I get serious about my multiplayer gaming sometimes, so sue me). But the mouse and keyboard are just lightyears ahead of a gamepad.... usually.

[Cry Havoc]

I get what you're saying but there's never really a debate on which team is better. Usually in the soccer forum, all we do is talk about each other's team, talk about roster moves, transfer window deadline, have game threads about certain matches and talk about Messi. There's never a debate about team X vs team Y. But I get what you mean. It's never like in the NBA/Spurs forum matching each position and saying Parker>Nash, Kobe > Green, MWP > Leonard, etc. and getting into a debate about the teams. Soccer is way too hard, dynamic, too many variables and unpredictable for that.

Yeah, soccer is definitely a lot more subtle than basketball, that's for sure. Probably one of the reasons why American fanbases haven't really caught on. I'm going to try to get to some Earthquake games this year. Should be a blast. I've been trying to follow Premier League but I just can't find a team to root for, and it seems kind of stupid to root for Everton just because they have Howard.

Recommend me some more Indie games when you get the chance. I've been out of the loop far too long and don't know what's good. I'm playing Primordia and it's been fun so far.

It really depends on what kind of games you like. FTL is amazing. League of Legends is improving constantly, although the current meta is kind of a drag. Binding of Isaac is ing incredible, like Legend of Zelda meets Super Smash TV. Chivalry is good if you're into that sort of multiplayer sword fighting. Natural Selection 2 is my favorite indie le right now though. Absolutely awesome gameplay.

[Cry Havoc]

For me, the main difference between PC and console will always be the mouse and keyboard. I play mostly everything on low graphics settings anyway to avoid any lag issues (yeah I get serious about my multiplayer gaming sometimes, so sue me). But the mouse and keyboard are just lightyears ahead of a gamepad.... usually.

I've been starting to play HotS... what do you think of it? Terran just seems annoyingly easy to play these days. No siege mode, widow mines everywhere, ugh.

[symple19]

smfh... All I had to do was write LOL Consoles and look what happens

I've been doing this and pissing people off for a long time around here

LOL trolled

[z0sa]

I've been starting to play HotS... what do you think of it? Terran just seems annoyingly easy to play these days. No siege mode, widow mines everywhere, ugh.

Yeah, I switched to Terran for HotS bro You can go mech in 100% of the matchups now thanks to the Widow Mine. In 2v2 I do a widow mine drop every game and it literally always does economic damage (either tons of delayed mining time or just killing 15+ workers in seconds). In 1v1 it's probably "balanced" per se but in team games you can sit back and get a massive force of WMs, tanks, and bats so quick.

[NASpurs]

Yeah, soccer is definitely a lot more subtle than basketball, that's for sure. Probably one of the reasons why American fanbases haven't really caught on. I'm going to try to get to some Earthquake games this year. Should be a blast. I've been trying to follow Premier League but I just can't find a team to root for, and it seems kind of stupid to root for Everton just because they have Howard.

Just try to catch as many games as you can. Maybe there will be a player that you start to follow or there's a team's style that you like. Just don't become a glory hunter, meaning following Manchester United because they win trophies. But another suggestion is to get FIFA 13 and play as many EPL teams as you can, and get to know the players that way as well. I've known a lot of people who've gotten into soccer and followed EPL teams because of FIFA. If you're new into the sport, another great game is Football Manager. That game will teach you all the ins and out about soccer including managing a team, formations, transfer windows, etc. Crazy game and really good! But yeah, going to Earthquake games is a good way to get into the sport. There's nothing like catching a game live.

It really depends on what kind of games you like. FTL is amazing. League of Legends is improving constantly, although the current meta is kind of a drag. Binding of Isaac is ing incredible, like Legend of Zelda meets Super Smash TV. Chivalry is good if you're into that sort of multiplayer sword fighting. Natural Selection 2 is my favorite indie le right now though. Absolutely awesome gameplay.

Thanks for the suggestions.

[Cry Havoc]

Just try to catch as many games as you can. Maybe there will be a player that you start to follow or there's a team's style that you like. Just don't become a glory hunter, meaning following Manchester United because they win trophies. But another suggestion is to get FIFA 13 and play as many EPL teams as you can, and get to know the players that way as well. I've known a lot of people who've gotten into soccer and followed EPL teams because of FIFA. If you're new into the sport, another great game is Football Manager. That game will teach you all the ins and out about soccer including managing a team, formations, transfer windows, etc. Crazy game and really good! But yeah, going to Earthquake games is a good way to get into the sport. There's nothing like catching a game live.

I actually know quite a bit, mostly from watching over the years and playing Winning Eleven 9. I feel like I have a pretty good knowledge base when I watch, although team's decisions to send a pass 50m down the pitch into 4 defenders still baffles me sometimes when they have perfectly serviceable short passes they could make instead. It's hard not to admire Messi because he's just a monster and doesn't flop nearly as often as most players.

[NASpurs]

I actually know quite a bit, mostly from watching over the years and playing Winning Eleven 9. I feel like I have a pretty good knowledge base when I watch, although team's decisions to send a pass 50m down the pitch still baffles me sometimes when they have perfectly serviceable short passes they could make instead. It's hard not to admire Messi because he's just a monster and doesn't flop nearly as often as most players.

Yeah, the percentages say catching a team off guard like that won't work but teams still try it. But sometimes the defender will trip or up and that's all is needed in soccer to win a game. A mistake. It's crazy how perfect you have to play to win a game, especially against top tier teams.

[vander]

Will the Xbox 3 still have Media Center extender?

[PM5K]

I'm just disappointed in features that probably could have been done this generation via software updates.

[mingus]

So you've played every Ps3 and every Xbox 360 game? Why would you pay $500 for a system and $60 for new games when you could own an older console for $200 and have a massive library of 500+ $20-40 les?

What the does playing every game on those systems have to do with anything?

[MannyIsGod]

smfh... All I had to do was write LOL Consoles and look what happens

I've been doing this and pissing people off for a long time around here

LOL trolled

You must be proud.

[MannyIsGod]

The whole "omg PCs are better" bull was bound to show up.

Exlusives, ease of use. Thats it.

[Cry Havoc]

What the does playing every game on those systems have to do with anything?

I'll just repaste this:

Why would you pay $500 for a system and $60 for new games when you could own an older console for $200 and have a massive library of 500+ $20-40 les?

[Cry Havoc]

The whole "omg PCs are better" bull was bound to show up.

Exlusives, ease of use. Thats it.

PCs are insanely easy to use these days. Everything updates itself. You download games and you play them. with Steam you don't even have to install, they stream right to your hard drive in playable states.

Exclusives are a good point, but since when are exclusives only limited to consoles? Unless you've been playing RTS/MOBA on console and somehow managed to install all the other PC exclusives as well? And any game that's not exclusive is so much more detailed on PC.

Even still, now that consoles are going to x86, it's going to be even less of a difference.

[mingus]

I'll just repaste this:

Yeah, that post proved to me you are an idiot. Your insistence that it answers my question proves to me that you are a persistent idiot.