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    Texas and Arizona 2 of the worst 3 states
    me moving from one to the other in a few months
    can't wait till I get a job North of the Missouri Compromise line
    if you're moving from texas to Arizona best get your ready to see some of the ugliest women ever

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    if you're moving from texas to Arizona best get your ready to see some of the ugliest women ever
    We just don't teach them to exercise and lay off fatty foods, is all.

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    In Pa now; was in Texas. Schools spend much more here; suck just as bad.

    Money =/= good education.

    Teachers in this town (K-12) START at ~$60K. Bulletproof union protection. Life appointment. Dumb education majors for the most part...Two married teachers, each with 20 years in; over $200K salary; with guaranteed pension. Don't even need to save any of it. Work only 8 months a year. Damn cushy.

    Nice union fearmongering and heaven-forbid that teachers get paid well of course.

    According to THIS PA ranks 6th.

    THIS has them the same.

    Who cares about empirical proof when you can go by ideology?

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    more spending =/ better learning. i once read that pakistan ranked higher than us in science and math. they're up in the middle of the ing mountains writing their homework in the sand...america doesn't have a spending problem imho it has a people problem. starts from the top down. lazy, en led, greedy selfish little es.

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    Oh well then, case closed.


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    Money is not the problem

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    Progressives own what has happened to public education

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    Progressives own what has happened to public education
    Which progressives in Texas State Government, specifically, are responsible?

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    I haven't looked. It most certainly not be #49. Still be lower than average, but not at the bottom.

    Do you disagree with that assessment?

    If so, care to run the numbers yourself?
    Yeah, I do disagree with that assessment, and just for the of it I ran the numbers myself because you love making arguments that are flat out wrong knowing the numbers to prove it wrong require some research no one is gonna do.

    Here is a cost of living index for the 4th quarter of 2012:
    http://www.missourieconomy.org/indic...ving/index.stm

    The study referred to in the OP can be found in detail on page 114 of this attachment under "per student in ADA":
    http://www.nea.org/assets/img/conten...s-2013_(2).pdf

    With that information I divided each expenditure per student figure by cost of living index in order to adjust (even though for a number of reasons that's over adjusting but I don't feel like explaining why). Here are the results:



    Texas is 46th rather than 49th, so adjustment for cost of living improved Texas by 3 whole spots. I'm sure that's what you meant when you said, "It most certainly not be #49. Still be lower than average, but not at the bottom," or at least I know that's what you're going to say you meant.

    It should also be noted that Florida, California and Nevada were all hit particularly hard by the recession and are in worse-than-average economic shape in general. Arizona and Texas OTOH are states with governors and legislators who view cutting education as one of the first things a state should do when it needs to balance the budget.

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    If they are spending $8400 a year to attempt to educate the street trash I see around my office then that's about $8300 too much. I charge $100 an hour and could teach them everything they need to know about using a weedeater/leaf blower or bussing tables in an hour.

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    If they are spending $8400 a year to attempt to educate the street trash I see around my office then that's about $8300 too much. I charge $100 an hour and could teach them everything they need to know about using a weedeater/leaf blower or bussing tables in an hour.
    Maybe its time to move to a better office location...

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    It's no secret Rick Perry views education as a overrated idea (just look at his college transcript LOL). He's currently trying to have every public college in Texas run an online program where you can receive a Bachelor's degree online for $20,000. The President of UT, Bill Powers, is refusing to do this so Rick Perry is appointing 2 members to a board that will vote Powers out (hasn't this bag done similar things before?).

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    Maybe its time to move to a better office location...
    LOL

    That's my retirement savings for when I sell my business. The property is downtown just blocks from the courthouse and riverwalk. They would love for me to move my nasty dirty business somewhere else...

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    It's no secret Rick Perry views education as a overrated idea (just look at his college transcript LOL). He's currently trying to have every public college in Texas run an online program where you can receive a Bachelor's degree online for $20,000. The President of UT, Bill Powers, is refusing to do this so Rick Perry is appointing 2 members to a board that will vote Powers out (hasn't this bag done similar things before?).
    At least Rick Perry actually has a 4 year degree

    Jan Brewer's highest level of education is a 2 year associates degree in sucking from Glendale Cmmunity Cllege

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    In Pa now; was in Texas. Schools spend much more here; suck just as bad.

    Money =/= good education.

    Teachers in this town (K-12) START at ~$60K. Bulletproof union protection. Life appointment. Dumb education majors for the most part...Two married teachers, each with 20 years in; over $200K salary; with guaranteed pension. Don't even need to save any of it. Work only 8 months a year. Damn cushy.
    This is what I don't get... why doesn't more money = better education in some instances? It seems that, much like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you need a basic amount of money to be effective. And many studies have shown that if you grow up wealthy, you're much more likely to be educated. But just throwing money at a school doesn't necessarily make a school educate better. *shrug* It looks like an inefficiency that the market hasn't solved/corrected yet.

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    Yeah, I do disagree with that assessment, and just for the of it I ran the numbers myself because you love making arguments that are flat out wrong knowing the numbers to prove it wrong require some research no one is gonna do.

    Here is a cost of living index for the 4th quarter of 2012:
    http://www.missourieconomy.org/indic...ving/index.stm

    The study referred to in the OP can be found in detail on page 114 of this attachment under "per student in ADA":
    http://www.nea.org/assets/img/conten...s-2013_(2).pdf

    With that information I divided each expenditure per student figure by cost of living index in order to adjust (even though for a number of reasons that's over adjusting but I don't feel like explaining why). Here are the results:



    Texas is 46th rather than 49th, so adjustment for cost of living improved Texas by 3 whole spots. I'm sure that's what you meant when you said, "It most certainly not be #49. Still be lower than average, but not at the bottom," or at least I know that's what you're going to say you meant.

    It should also be noted that Florida, California and Nevada were all hit particularly hard by the recession and are in worse-than-average economic shape in general. Arizona and Texas OTOH are states with governors and legislators who view cutting education as one of the first things a state should do when it needs to balance the budget.
    Great work DoK. Not at all surprised about Hawaii. As I've mentioned in other threads, they have set aside Furlough days in school to save the education dept some money.

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    This is what I don't get... why doesn't more money = better education in some instances? It seems that, much like Maslow's hierarchy of needs, you need a basic amount of money to be effective. And many studies have shown that if you grow up wealthy, you're much more likely to be educated. But just throwing money at a school doesn't necessarily make a school educate better. *shrug* It looks like an inefficiency that the market hasn't solved/corrected yet.
    The trouble is that there's no clear vision of what a successfully educated person would look like (owing as much to student's unique needs and distributions of talent/intelligence as to divergent opinions among voters/policy-makers about the goals, methods, and content of education). Without a feasible, reliable metric by which to assess performance (standards-testing remains the best, cheapest option, but is admittedly a verrrry blunt instrument), there can be little expectation of progress.

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    Democracy owns what has happened to public education
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    The trouble is that there's no clear vision of what a successfully educated person would look like (owing as much to student's unique needs and distributions of talent/intelligence as to divergent opinions among voters/policy-makers about the goals, methods, and content of education). Without a feasible, reliable metric by which to assess performance (standards-testing remains the best, cheapest option, but is admittedly a verrrry blunt instrument), there can be little expectation of progress.
    Another thing that I'm curious about: have various means of money expenditure been tested? I know it would be hard to control for that sort of thing, but my thought experiment would involve some arbitrary amount of cash (1 million, let's say) that was then spent in different ways in different schools: teacher salary, extra programs, better materials etc etc in order to compare which expenditures were the most efficient.

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    Another thing that I'm curious about: have various means of money expenditure been tested? I know it would be hard to control for that sort of thing, but my thought experiment would involve some arbitrary amount of cash (1 million, let's say) that was then spent in different ways in different schools: teacher salary, extra programs, better materials etc etc in order to compare which expenditures were the most efficient.
    It's certainly a good idea.

    While I expect some form of what you suggest has been tested, it seems like the sort of effort which would require planning at a regional or state level -- I'm simply not familiar enough with how much autonomy school districts have in relation to their state boards of education to have any insight about how doable it would be.

    There's also the socio-economic issue you touched on with wealthier students typically performing better, which can be read as "wealthier students grow up in better-educated families and don't have to work to provide for their households." Testing emergent technologies (?) to streamline education (if that can be done without dumbing-down) to fit into busier students' lives seems like something worth looking into. It wouldn't have to be Rick Perry's proposed Phoenix U-style courses as much as study-guides, tutorials, etc.

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    Americans have the right to be stupid.
    And an obligation to their system of government to create smarter voters if they aren't too cynical or stupid to care. That's why Jefferson was so committed to the idea.

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    Student Suspended For Participating In ‘Day Of Silence’ Sues School

    Last April, high school student Amber Hatcher announced she would be participating in the National Day of Silence, a nationwide protest to raise awareness about anti-LGBT bullying, and sought permission in advance from her school administrators in Desoto County, Florida. Her principal threatened “ramifications” if she participated and even called her parents suggesting they keep her home because there “would be consequences.”
    Principal Shannon Fusco sent to teachers advising about the protest:

    Teachers:

    Please note that we have a group of students today who have an intention of protesting. The district has an absolute policy against protesting on school campuses.
    If you have students who are wearing placard [sic] in protest of an issue or disrupting the hallways or classrooms, please notify the dean or administration, and we will handle it.
    If a student refuses to participate in class by taking part in a silent protest, that is considered a disruption. Again, please notify the administration, and we will handle it.

    Thanks you,
    sdf

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/0...e-sues-school/



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    Student Suspended For Participating In ‘Day Of Silence’ Sues School

    Last April, high school student Amber Hatcher announced she would be participating in the National Day of Silence, a nationwide protest to raise awareness about anti-LGBT bullying, and sought permission in advance from her school administrators in Desoto County, Florida. Her principal threatened “ramifications” if she participated and even called her parents suggesting they keep her home because there “would be consequences.”
    Principal Shannon Fusco sent to teachers advising about the protest:

    Teachers:

    Please note that we have a group of students today who have an intention of protesting. The district has an absolute policy against protesting on school campuses.
    If you have students who are wearing placard [sic] in protest of an issue or disrupting the hallways or classrooms, please notify the dean or administration, and we will handle it.
    If a student refuses to participate in class by taking part in a silent protest, that is considered a disruption. Again, please notify the administration, and we will handle it.

    Thanks you,
    sdf

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2013/0...e-sues-school/


    Procrustean, but I respect the principal's decision -- and the district's policy -- completely. There are instances where quashing protest can and should be questioned, but this does not seem like one IMO.

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    And an obligation to their system of government to create smarter voters if they aren't too cynical or stupid to care. That's why Jefferson was so committed to the idea.
    http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/...91P0HJ20130226

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