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So the regulations were fake?
I was in the oil industry. It was not friendly. It was like arm wrestling Hulk Hogan.
So the regulations were fake?
Not believable, if only well before RickyBobby began polluting the TX bureaucracy with 1000s of Repug hackers, operatives, patronage
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Can you take Hogan? Give it a shot and let me know how that turns out for ya.
Good day, Mr. Kaufman.
you expect us to believe the RickyBobby's RRC/TCEQ would let human and environmental health trump oilco profits?
You do understand that these revisions, improvements and additional regulations are happening on Perry's watch, right?
lol at operatives and hackers.
I'll wait and see. You go ahead with your assumptions and such.
we'll see if ANYTHING is enforced. My guess if RB's RRC will enforce as heavily as SEC polices the financial sector.
Rick Perry Is Big Oil’s $11 Million Man
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...1-million-man/
OK, I give up. Now you've really convinced me that RickyBobby's RRC visits regulatory/enforcement on frackers.
Wow. Thinkprogress figured out the #1 economic engine in Texas also is a top contributor. That's some kwality analysis right there.Rick Perry Is Big Oil’s $11 Million Man
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...1-million-man/
OK, I give up. Now you've really convinced me that RickyBobby's RRC visits regulatory/enforcement on frackers.
Also don't mean .
lol at searching thinkprogress.borg for a 2 year old article. The site linked to from that piece does not produce the data that tp says it does. Go figure.
the money ain't old, and the same contributors have certainly kept floating RB in $Ms.
quid-pro-quo blatant corruption (just like DC): they get regulatory relief, and $19B/year in tax expenditures.
I certainly don't disagree with the money flow. But you've got to make the case for regulatory relief via some kind of granularity...ie. evidential data of individuals acting in concert. Just saying it looks fishy don't make it fishy. People (the inspectors and analysts within the TRC) are known to act as individuals.
If I'm wrong about you in this case, then so be it. There are people however that will pay the extra just to have green pride.
Says the guy that pimps natural gas boiler brochures. Hydrogen is made by electrolysis and solar and PV diodes by nature create voltage. You can literally connect a PV cell into tap water and create hydrogen gas from the potential. Compare that to boiling water with natural gas and using that to turn magnets and then creating a DC voltage and it's not very difficult to discern which method is more efficient. Much easier if you consider the energy requirements of fracking gas.
You can just set up PV banks in your home and let them fill a storage container all day and have q whole lot of fuel. There are setup costs but it's pretty damn pricey to have Hank Hill show up at your house.
The problem with H has primarily been NOx emissions which has relegated acceptable reactions to fuel cells however there has been a lot of work on both efficiency and emissions. For example:
http://pid.sagepub.com/content/227/1/99
The other concern is storage and various uses of nanotechnology have been applied to the problem with more than a little success.The efficiency maps of the hydrogen engine demonstrate a peak brake thermal efficiency of 45.5% together with nitrogen oxide maps showing emissions of less than 0.10 g/kW h in much of the operating regime. In order to evaluate the driving-cycle nitrogen oxide emissions, the engine maps were fed into a vehicle simulation assuming a midsize sedan with a conventional (non-hybrid) powertrain. With a 3.0 l hydrogen engine, nitrogen oxide emissions from a Urban Dynamometer Driving Schedule cycle are 0.017 g/mile which fulfills the project goal and are even sufficiently low to meet the Super-Ultra-Low-Emissions Vehicle II emissions specification. The city or highway fuel economy, normalized to gallons of gasoline, is 32.4/51.5 mile/gal(US) for a combined average of 38.9 mile/gal(US), exceeding the 2016 Corporate Average Fuel Economy standard. Further vehicle simulations were performed to show the effect of engine downsizing. With a smaller 2.0 l engine, nitrogen oxide emissions increase to 0.028 g/mile, which still exceeds the US Department of Energy target together with the benefit of a fuel economy improvement to 45.4 mile/gal(US) (combined).
The problem has never been hydrogen production. Distribution, storage, efficiency, emissions sure. But never production. Stick to your checklist or google harder next time.
I am sure that there are some who do things just to have green pride. Then there is another category who can afford to pay significantly more for the benefit of being environmentally copasetic and therefore do so. Most of us fall into a category where we really would like to be in the second category but don't have that ability and so we look for the most environmentally beneficial solution to (x) problem that we can while making as much financial sense as we can.
This is a great solution, but my problem with it why not just take that electricity and put IT directly into a car rather than converting it one more time into hydrogen. Before you say that batteries arent there yet, you listed a small host of problems with hydrogen. Might as well put the research into batteries.
Why not research both? Researching 'batteries' is great and all but I would prefer taking each proposal on it's merits.
Making hydrogen is mindlessly easy.
What would be the verbiage to use if you take something that is mindlessly easy and subtract a step from it?
You tell me.
Engineering hurdles for H2 are being overcome. A battery stores energy, it does not create it.
Fuzzy doesn't care. He will bring anything into a conversation that he thinks will disagree with what I say.
It takes something like 44 kwh of electricity to make about 1 gallon of gasoline equivalent through the method Fuzzy mentions. That is just the electricity. That's not a bad price, for in the future when refined fuels go up in price. There are probably few places that equates to more than $5.00 a gallon equivalent, but then there is equipment and maintenance costs if you plan to make it yourself. Profits will make a hydrogen duel station at least twice the electrical costs.
Back to reality. The problem with hydrogen is safety and storage. If a fuel cell is used, I don't think they have yet, worked out the membrane problems and cost.
I don't see hydrogen being practical any time soon. NG is in my view, the best alternative, and I would like to see methane fuel cells developed for that purpose.
Now since there is a push to sequester CO2, why not make methane out of it, using the Sabaier Reaction, or similar method. That would count for something in the eyes of the green people.
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Public Editor Slams NY Times Tesla Story, After Overcoming ‘Confirmation Bias’
As Rocky Mountain Ins ute put it:
… this much ado about range anxiety is a distraction from the real sweet spot and potential of EVs today. U.S. drivers average 13,476 miles per year; that’s 37 miles per day, according to the Office of Highway Policy Information. The most recent National Household Travel Survey by DOT’s Federal Highway Administration puts that number even lower—a scant 29 vehicle miles per day, with an average trip length less than 10 miles.
http://thinkprogress.org/climate/201...irmation-bias/
Well Hyundai is making a fuel cell car now.
http://www.theverge.com/2013/2/26/40...uel-suv-tucsonHyundai today announced plans to begin mass production of hydrogen fuel cell cars, as part of an effort to spearhead the development of zero-emission vehicles. As Korea's Yonhap News Agency reports, Hyundai will begin producing hydrogen-powered versions of its Tucson ix SUV at its Usan plant in South Korea on Friday, in the hopes of selling 1,000 models across the world by 2015.
According to Hyundai, the hydrogen-based Tucson ix can run for about 370 miles before being refueled. It also presents obvious environmental benefits, emitting only water vapor as it converts hydrogen into electricity. If widely adopted, the technology could decrease reliance upon internal combustion engines, thereby lowering emissions of heat-trapping greenhouse gases.
"THE DAWN OF 'AN ENVIRONMENTALLY FRIENDLY ERA'?
"We expect to realize an environmentally friendly era more quickly through the mass production of hydrogen fuel cell cars for the first time in the world," Hyundai Motor Vice Chairman Kim Eok-jo said at a ceremony Tuesday. The company added that it plans to ship 15 models for municipal use in Denmark and two other units to Sweden as early as this April.
Compe ors like Daimler-Benz and General Motors are also working on hydrogen fuel cell cars, but Hyundai says it's at least two years ahead of the market, due in large part to its proprietary technology. As with any new transport technology, however, Hyundai's hydrogen future faces some obstacles, with a current dearth of fueling stations being perhaps the most blatant. Ulsan Mayor Park Maeng-woo praised the company's announcement as a "milestone event" on Tuesday and promised to install more fueling stations across the city, though he declined to offer details. According to Yonhap, there are currently just 13 stations across all of South Korea.
According to Bloomberg, the car's performance also lags behind its gasoline-powered compe ion. The Tucson ix's engine is rated at 134 horsepower, and accelerates from zero to 60 miles per hour in just over 12 seconds. Bloomberg did praise the car's smooth driving experience, but stressed that its long-term success will likely depend on its price point. Current estimates place the Tucson ix's sticker price as high as $200,000 (compared to the $19,935 retail price of the standard Tucson), though manufacturers say technological advancements should bring that down to around $50,000 by 2015.
New Way to Split Water Molecules Into Hydrogen and Oxygen: Breakthrough for Solar Energy Conversion and Storage?
Using the power of the sun and ultrathin films of iron oxide (commonly known as rust), Technion-Israel Ins ute of Technology researchers have found a novel way to split water molecules into hydrogen and oxygen. The breakthrough, published this week in Nature Materials, could lead to less expensive, more efficient ways to store solar energy in the form of hydrogen-based fuels. This could be a major step forward in the development of viable replacements for fossil fuels.
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases...1112095943.htm
Processing fresh water to produce hydrogen is like processing corn to produce ethanol, only multiplied by 10K of stupidity. You don't sacrifice necessary conditions (increasingly scarce resources necessary for life) and use them to create sufficient conditions for commerce. The only sensible source for hydrogen is the ocean.
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