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    And no thanks on watching an 8 minute YouTube
    Fast forward to the last minute then and listen to what the officer (who you think has to protect you) has to say.

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    My next question is "how accurate do you need to be in the confines of a house?"

    My thinking is that you don't have to be very accurate at all in short distances, but I'm willing to let you explain why you need to before i call bull .
    There is plenty of data out there on calibers, ballistics, and stopping power, as well as the effects of adrenaline on accuracy. If you are trying to argue that a .22 caliber handgun, which is easily managed by a woman and can be deadly, is therefore a sufficient firearm for home defense, then it shows how little you really know.

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    Fast forward to the last minute then and listen to what the officer (who you think has to protect you) has to say.
    I didn't hear anything shocking in that last minute. 20 minutes response time for cops sounds about right.

    How about telling me what you think is important.

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    There is plenty of data out there on calibers, ballistics, and stopping power, as well as the effects of adrenaline on accuracy. If you are trying to argue that a .22 caliber handgun, which is easily managed by a woman and can be deadly, is therefore a sufficient firearm for home defense, then it shows how little you really know.
    I already said, I'm not arguing. I'm asking. I admit I know little to nothing about this.

    This is your thread. You're the one whining about gun control and the need for an AR-15 with a laser pointer.

    Frankly, I personally don't see the need for excessive weaponry and I don't care enough to do homework to see if more really is necessary. I'm waiting on you to tell me why i should give a if lawmakers ban it.

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    I already said, I'm not arguing. I'm asking. I admit I know little to nothing about this.

    This is your thread. You're the one whining about gun control and the need for an AR-15 with a laser pointer.

    Frankly, I personally don't see the need for excessive weaponry and I don't care enough to do homework to see if more really is necessary. I'm waiting on you to tell me why i should give a if lawmakers ban it.
    hey dude, ar 15's are cool. they make you feel like you're awesomous max. isn't that enough?

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    hey dude, ar 15's are cool. they make you feel like you're awesomous max. isn't that enough?
    Does it have 4G?

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    I already said, I'm not arguing. I'm asking. I admit I know little to nothing about this.

    This is your thread. You're the one whining about gun control and the need for an AR-15 with a laser pointer.

    Frankly, I personally don't see the need for excessive weaponry and I don't care enough to do homework to see if more really is necessary. I'm waiting on you to tell me why i should give a if lawmakers ban it.
    Again, I'm not going to delve into the all the different calibers and ballistics to teach some guy on the internet who doesn't give a enough to teach himself. If you want to do some research on it and then have a discussion on the effectiveness of the .22LR in a home defense situation be my guest, I'd be more than happy to discuss it. You've admitted you don't know about the subject so debating it with you is pointless at this point.

    This thread specifically is about why our Vice President's advice is beyond foolish and would land a person in jail. This thread is about how the VP says AR15's are not needed because 12 gauge shotguns are perfectly fine for women, even though the video shows the common woman getting abused by the 12 gauge. This thread is about how much easier it is to manage an AR15 than a 12 gauge shotgun, for a woman.

    You yourself have admitted to not even being able to define what excessive weaponry is, so why do you keep throwing that around? Go ahead and define excessive weaponry then if you want to discuss it. What makes a weapon excessive? And if you don't care enough to do homework to see if more really is necessary than looks like our discussion is over, I'm not doing your research you lazy .

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    you gonna let your gf fire off .223's?

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    It's her favorite gun to shoot.

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    I tend to disagree with you here, when speaking of women. As you saw in the video, 12 gauge shotguns can beat the out of women who don't know how to handle them, and some higher caliber pistols could also be hard for a woman to handle. My girlfriend has trouble just racking the slide on one of my handguns, not much use if she can't chamber it right? An AR15 equipped with a flashlight and a red dot sight is a perfect tool for self defense, especially if you live in a state where you can shorten the barrel significantly. Highly accurate with little recoil.
    But there are some pistols that are easy for women to handle
    Yes, and there are different gauge shotguns and different loads.You don't have to be as accurate with a "scattergun."

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    do you live on a farm......or do you have close neighbors?

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    Again, I'm not going to delve into the all the different calibers and ballistics to teach some guy on the internet who doesn't give a enough to teach himself. If you want to do some research on it and then have a discussion on the effectiveness of the .22LR in a home defense situation be my guest, I'd be more than happy to discuss it. You've admitted you don't know about the subject so debating it with you is pointless at this point.

    This thread specifically is about why our Vice President's advice is beyond foolish and would land a person in jail. This thread is about how the VP says AR15's are not needed because 12 gauge shotguns are perfectly fine for women, even though the video shows the common woman getting abused by the 12 gauge. This thread is about how much easier it is to manage an AR15 than a 12 gauge shotgun, for a woman.

    You yourself have admitted to not even being able to define what excessive weaponry is, so why do you keep throwing that around? Go ahead and define excessive weaponry then if you want to discuss it. What makes a weapon excessive? And if you don't care enough to do homework to see if more really is necessary than looks like our discussion is over, I'm not doing your research you lazy .
    No sweat off my back if you don't want to make your case.

    If they ever ban your gun, I'm gonna laugh my ass off.

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    Yes, and there are different gauge shotguns and different loads.You don't have to be as accurate with a "scattergun."
    that makes it even harder for me to see the need for an AR15.

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    No sweat off my back if you don't want to make your case.

    If they ever ban your gun, I'm gonna laugh my ass off.
    You've admitted to being too lazy to do some research, I'd be a fool to continue the discussion someone who admits such.

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    do you live on a farm......or do you have close neighbors?
    No and a few kind of close. Why?

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    that makes it even harder for me to see the need for an AR15.
    Once again, need and want are too different things. Why do you think you can limited people to their needs Comrade?

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    You've admitted to being too lazy to do some research, I'd be a fool to continue the discussion someone who admits such.
    If you want to keep something dangerous like a gun, but aren't willing to state why you need it, then say goodbye to it.

    I'd be a fool not to laugh if that happens.

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    Once again, need and want are too different things. Why do you think you can limited people to their needs Comrade?
    of course you want to be able to keep everything you want, unibomber.

    Makes it easy to take out someone after you've triangulated their flaglot position.

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    No and a few kind of close. Why?
    a wall isn't going to protect against a .223.

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    If you want to keep something dangerous like a gun, but aren't willing to state why you need it, then say goodbye to it.

    I'd be a fool not to laugh if that happens.
    Please, we are so far beyond me needing to state to you why I, or anyone else needs/wants a gun. Stop being such a juvenile and come with a better counter. I wanted to discuss the benefits of an AR over a 12 gauge shotgun for a woman, but it appears you are either to lazy (admitted) or unwilling to do so.

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    If you want to keep something dangerous like a gun, but aren't willing to state why you need it, then say goodbye to it.
    I had no idea that property rights were based on need Comrade.

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    a wall isn't going to protect against a .223.
    Thought you were going to say that. Well, you're wrong.

    http://www.gunsandammo.com/2012/02/1...fense-caliber/

    "When using rifle ammunition with projectiles designed specifically for personal defense, such as Winchester’s new .223 PDX1 loadings, fragmentation is assured. Bullets striking an intruder will separate into smaller, lighter pieces and—most likely—not overpenetrate and exit the body as errant shrapnel. All of the energy generated will then be transferred into the target. If the round fired is a miss and hits only wood or drywall, the projectile will break apart into smaller pieces—while these are still dangerous, their potential for injury, or penetration of additional walls, is much less than a pistol bullet or buckshot pellet."

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    Does she quack like a duck when you ?

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    bye clambake.

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