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You guys disrespecting Manu makes me sick. Come playoffs Manu has proved he can step up with Kawhi we don't know yet. I could care less about regular season.
Obviously yes. Leonard seems to be surpassing Manu. But people, all this time to give it up and retire stuff is ridiculous. What shooting guard (that we can afford) would you rather be playing. Manu is still an asset.
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You guys disrespecting Manu makes me sick. Come playoffs Manu has proved he can step up with Kawhi we don't know yet. I could care less about regular season.
Why would any Spurfan regret it when/if Manu shows up big time in the playoffs?
no. not yet. not enough instinct for the game flow yet.
Manu is ALWAYS the guy I want handling the ball in playoffs at the end of the game. Will he make mistakes? Sure. But his is still the guy.
kawhi will get there...just not yet. lots to learn still on game flow.
It would be wonderful if this was true but it isn't.
It would mean someone would perform better than Manu in the Round that matters the most.
I just hope that he won't again be the Spurs best player in the final round of the season as it was the case in the last 3 seasons (Phoenix, Memphis, OKC).
They will regret trashing him. And he will prove people wrong once again, just like he did against OKC last season.
I just want to see all those Manu haters showing up coming playoff time.
The real question mark is whether we'll continue to take advantage of Kawhi's growth once Parker is back.
Yes but come on. This is good news.
No. Manu is still the man.
But I'm very pleased that this is a semi-legitimate discussion now. Because it means that Kawhi is really starting to step up and play like we've all known he was capable of playing. So who cares who is better? What matters is how this team plays come the playoffs.
Again: why would they regret it if it means succes for the Spurs? I just don't get this inner-team-hating. It's stupid.
There is no such thing as Manu's haters. Outside of a couple of posters, everybody on ST love Manu.
It's not because you aren't a blind homer that you are a hater. Manu's fanboys should stop playing the offended virgin whenever someone is objective about Manu.
No, what's is stupid is trashing a player for meaningless regular season games.
I'd rather lose with Mr. Ginobili than win without him. I'm that big a fan. If you think Mr. Leonard has surpassed him, try putting the ball in his hands with 0.10 to go in the game and having him make a play. Is Mr. Leonard more athletic? yes. Could he outplay Mr. Ginobili in one-on-one? Yes. But who would you trust in a meaningful game with the game on the line? Mr. Leonard can't yet run a team.
Yes, Kawhi has surpassed Manu. That's more a reflection of Kawhi's growth than it is of Manu's decline.
^ I don't think that's a good assessment. Kawhi is not on the spurs to be a playmaker like Manu. He's a defensive small forward with a potent 3 point shot and outstanding athleticism that makes him effective on drives to the hoop. He'll never be a playmaker, and he doesn't need to be.
Comparatively speaking, Kawhi is a better player within his own role than Ginobili is within his role at this point in their respective careers. And given the fact that this league is small forward-dominated and will be for the foreseeable future, Kawhi is a more valuable tool in the tool kit than Manu now.
Don't get me wrong, Manu is still capable of greatness in bursts, but Kawhi is exceeding all expectations very rapidly.
Last edited by Juggity; 03-17-2013 at 02:03 PM.
You guys are crazy Manu was going off in the WCF not even a year ago, what did he have 26 and 20 in games one and two, and the huge pivotal game 5 had 34 and almost single handedly win that game. Right now KL can't do that I hope I'm wrong but there's no way he can change a game like Manu can. You guys are forcing it. Literally what 6 months ago he was going off in the Olympics. Manu is a Passion player when there's something on the linen he's going to come to play, wait until the playoffs. And I guarantee If you ask any NBA player who is better they're are going to say is that even a question, Manu Ginobili
On here tbh stands for the butt hurt crowd for the blind Manu fans. When the team wins it's always Manu, but when they lose, don't you dare, omg!!!! drama queens. He may be the savior in the playoffs, so be it. He can't show 12 or 15 games a season and not get talked about on ST like anything but a novelty. By the way, I'm a big fan of his, just not a worshiper.
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'Cow-wi" is going to be better than a lot of small forwards that people think are good. He will develop things that most SF never try to learn. Will he be better than Manu a SG? It all depends on Danny Green and his improvement. Kawhi can play the 2 but with so many 1's and 2's on the team, we need him at the 3. With the patience of Pop, Kawhi will become a borderline all-star in the next couple of years. From there it will be up to Kawhi to take it further. As for Manu, he is not in a funk, he is missing TP. If TP had been playing the last 2 weeks, Manu may not have had the stats he is putting up, but he would be leading a strong 2nd unit. Too much of the responsibility of filling in for TP has been on Manu. Again, he is playing out of position as a point guard instead of the SG. No Kawhi has not passed Manu, but he is getting to the point that he and Manu can really lay it to the opponents.
Pop needs to sit Manu down just like he did drob, and explain that his time on the offensive end(as a go to scorer) are over. He needs to help the team in ways he can, setting up his opponents with passing and shooting when left wide open. At kawhis age, he should be able to go a few more min a game and should be a 2nd or, at worst a 3rd scoring option...if ginobili goes into the playoffs thinking it's 07, the spurs will be in trouble.
Last years wcf was a loooong time ago. Not saying he can't do it again...but I've never seen Manu look as worn down as I've seen him lately. I knew this time would come and honestly, thought it would have happened already. With his style of play, it can't go on forever...
Well he's bad at passing (too turnover prone this season)and has lost his 3 point shooting .Pop needs to sit Manu down just like he did drob, and explain that his time on the offensive end(as a go to scorer) are over. He needs to help the team in ways he can, setting up his opponents with passing and shooting when left wide open. At kawhis age, he should be able to go a few more min a game and should be a 2nd or, at worst a 3rd scoring option...if ginobili goes into the playoffs thinking it's 07, the spurs will be in trouble.
:-( well...it seemed he was still passing well when he was actually looking to pass first...and same with the shooting...when he's left open, but not trying to create...between he and jack, I don't know who looks worse. They both seem to have a fridge strapped to their backs when running.
Some ppl are finally seeing d light
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It pains me to watch Ginobili like this. Any shot he takes makes me scared. Every time he drives im scared he's going to get hurt. Now Leanord as much as he's coming into him own is no Manu. Ive been reading these stupid replies an watching every gm closely. Anyone who thinks Leanord is on Manus level is a fool. I cant believe some of you. True enough Manu needs to retire but aint no one outside of Tony an Timmy in a spurs uniform close to Manu. Tiago as good as he's doing is closer to Manu than Leanord. I cant believe you people. I guess its out with the old an in with the new with some of you'll.
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