1997-2003 - RobinsonSpurs fans kill me trying to make Duncan the best at something.First of all, Tim Duncan is not a PF. He used the le of PF he could make the all-star due to Yao Ming getting all the votes. If you classify Duncan as a PF, you have to do the same with Hakeem Olajuwon who was a much better ball player than Duncan. Don't believe me? Maybe you'll believe the coach who coached him his entire career.
When asked who the starting center would be in Game 1 against the Jazz, Pop treated it as a silly question and said: “Tim Duncan, like we have for the past 15 years.”
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/04/30/how-important-is-tim-duncans-legacy-and-is-he-really-a-center/
2004-2005 - Nazr Mohammed & Rasho Nestervic
2006-2007 - Fabricio Oberto & Francisco Elson
2008-2009 - Fabricio Oberto
2010-Present - Duncan
well done sir.. exact reason why i argued for gasol, spurfan is obviously confused.but kobe carried gasol? wait or gasol carried kobe? whats nextThis is hoe right here. Before Kobe he was 0-12 and a Spur Fan afterthought. With Kobe he went to 3 straight Finals winning two. Make up your mind - either he is a great PF or he sucks major ass. I guess it depends on your agenda.
Act like somebody for once, you old, decrepit, racist, asshole.
goods.Spurs fans kill me trying to make Duncan the best at something.
When asked who the starting center would be in Game 1 against the Jazz, Pop treated it as a silly question and said: “Tim Duncan, like we have for the past 15 years.”
http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/04/30/how-important-is-tim-duncans-legacy-and-is-he-really-a-center/
I'm not denying Rodman's impact, he's in the elite super role player category with the likes of Bill Russell and Ben Wallace(I was a huge Ben Wallace fan btw, he's still underrated), I just have a difficult time ranking players that are completely useless on the offensive end, tbh..
Sure, guys like Nowitzki and Barkley weren't good defensive players, but their offensive impact and role as a #1 option is more important than a guy like Rodman or other defensive specialists IMO..
After thinking about it, I guess I don't mind his inclusion, but I can't put him ahead of guys that were top 2 options on le teams..
As for Malone, his ring count is irrelevant..he was a perennial choker that failed to perform in big games..
i take dirk over kg also
i dont care if kg can anchor defense, or play multiple positions, when his needed his nowhere to be seen, and big man playing the midrange game is a no no....
^thus putting him at 10..
Gasol's #2 options in Memphis were guys like Mike Miller, Shane Battier and James Posey IIRC
The Lakers system obviously helped, Gasol fit the triangle perfectly, but his output is always going to be minimized by playing behind Kobe, with his deranged fanbase and media protection..
i kno right, he should be higherDirk at #6
On which position do you have Diaw in this list?
Elite super role player?
His hoops IQ is high. He could score, but why should he even try to go 20/10 with teammates like Zeke, Joe Dumars, MJ, and Pippen? Don't get me wrong, he didn't have 20/10 type offensive game, but to say he was useless on that side of the floor is agenda laced IMO.
I put KG over _irk and Barkley because he was an elite defender in his prime and could basically give you 20/10. He also is a one time winner like _irk. So I'm not sure how you can say _irk is better tbh. Give me KG's career over _irk's 24/7 tbh.
Everyone does it (place more importance on offense than defense). The great role player (aka Bill Russell) was one of the best defenders of all time and one of the best rebounders of all time. In other words he was an elite defensive anchor - and he won more times than MJ ever did. Yet MJ is considered GOAT. Why is that? Because he avg 30 ppg for his career and did it with SportsCenter worthy style.
Malone was a victim of playing in the MJ era. If the refs call the MJ pushoff of Russell, who knows, maybe Mailman has one ring. Game 7 would have been in Salt Lake where I give them a great chance of beating the Bulls. They would have been the Utah Thunderefs in det one.
From the ones I've seen:
1-Duncan
2-KG
3-Barkley
4-Malone
5-Dirk
Lebron ain't a top 10-er yet. But he's on his way.By your logic LBJ shouldn't even be in the top 10 all-time conversation that you guys keep putting him in. I've held firm that he doesn't belong. Why? He won 33% of the Finals he played in, after all.
1 ring >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 0 rings
2 rings > 1 ring
If I read your post correctly, 5 > 4. Amiright?
Yep, and:If I read your post correctly, 5 > 4. Amiright?
3 FMVPs > 2 FMVPs
2 MVPs > 1 MVPs
The main point of the comparison, though, is that 1 ring is infinitely better than zero, whereas 2 rings is not nearly as much better. The gap between 0 and 1 is the one that matters most.
lol putting KG and McHale over dirk...
Sir Charles or Dirk? That's a pretty good question TBH. Bark was a monster back in the day.
In terms of overall career, Id go with Duncan (if hes REALLY a PF and not a center which is arguable).
In terms of who was the best at their respective peak, its Barkley by a mile.
Bark couldn't beat MJ. Dirk beat LeBron.
good point
1. Tim Duncan
2. Dirk Nowitzki
3. Charles Barkley
4. Karl Malone
5. Kevin Garnett
6. Kevin McHale
7. Bob Pet
8. Dennis Rodman
9. Elvin Hayes
10. Dave DeBusschere
I really wanted to pick Barkley here #2, but after thinking about it it may just be old-school nostalgia ranking him over a more clutch player who led a team to a le.
'06-'07 was the season he became a full time C. Sure, they pretended Oberto and Elson were the C's, but they pretend everyone opposite him is, from Jeremy Richardson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/...801210CHA.html) to Diaw.
Never really understood the never ending "Is Duncan a PF or a C?" debate. Quite clearly, he's a C, who primarily played PF his first nine seasons because the Spurs had an all-time great C already in place when he was drafted. So what? Was Rodriguez not the greatest SS of all time because he was over sized for the position, had a unique skill set for it and later moved to 3B?
1. Duncan
2. Malone
3. Garnett
4. Barkley
5. Nowitzki
6. McHale
7. Gasol (Let's not pretend he's too not a C, who's masqueraded as a PF for the majority of his career)
8. Pet
9. Hayes
10. Webber
pau is a good player and all. dude needs to at least win a GAME in the playoffs by himself to justify all the praises/hypes from spain and the former spanish colonies tbh, and i don't think he's anywhere close to the top 10 range when it comes to all-time best PFs.
current players who're locked for that hall are duncan, dirk and KG. monkeyball is a promising superstar but he hasn't accomplished yet
Pau took Kobe to the Finals. Why couldn't Kobe get past the ing Suns in the 1st round sans Pau?This is hoe right here. Before Kobe he was 0-12 and a Spur Fan afterthought. With Kobe he went to 3 straight Finals winning two. Make up your mind - either he is a great PF or he sucks major ass. I guess it depends on your agenda.
Act like somebody for once, you old, decrepit, racist, asshole.
Pau changed after the sweep by the Mavs, after Shannon Brown cucked him. Prior to that he was an all star, and the primary reason the Lakers won b2b, and Artest's putback of the brick.
During the championship years, Duncan played with a true center. His top of the key shot, footwork outside the paint, the Sun killing 3... that's PF stuff.
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