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    After downloading the pics and zooming in, I got a better chance to see what they're saying.

    I wanted to test the hypothesis that Ginobili was the Spurs' best corner three shooter, so I did a couple of quick chi-square tests. The results I got suggests that Ginobili hasn't taken enough attempts to say he's for sure a better corner three shooter than either Leonard or Green. Ginobili had only taken 36 corner threes as of that picture. Green had taken 128 (and Leonard 92).

    But I get that should want to show that Green is a significantly better three-point shooter than Ginobili is. Doing a chi-square test on that, I found that Green has had significantly more success shooting from three this year (total attempts) than Ginobill. Incidentally enough, there was no significant difference between either Leonard and Green or Leonard and Ginobili.

    To me, this data reinforces the idea that Green is more than the run-of-the-mill, D-and-corner-three player that the Spurs have employed as their starting two-guard for much of the Ginobili era. He shot the best out of the three players from non-corner three spots. That already makes him a more dynamic weapon than people typically give him credit for. It's one thing to be able to run Green off corner shots; it's another to have to run him off shots at the wing, where the recovery distance is longer.
    Of course Green is shooting better than Manu this season(and Green improved from last season). I just pointed that there's a reason to believe that Manu could be as good as Green(3pt%) if he was playing that role...
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    Of course Green is shooting better than Manu this season(and Green improved from last season). I just pointed that there's a reason to believe that Manu could be as good as Green(3pt%) if he was playing that role...
    I didn't post that to combat your point. As I said, I've been interested in seeing shot breakdowns for a while. I just wanted to do a little analysis on it once you provided it.

    I will point out, though, that it seems pretty clear that Green's role isn't just to shoot threes from the corner. Fewer than half of Green's threes (44 percent I think) come from the corners. I think that was different last year. One way that Green has evolved offensively is by taking threes from other places on the court. That makes him significantly more valuable.

    To take Green's role, Ginobili would need to show he could keep up good corner numbers over more attempts while significantly improving his wing numbers. As I said earlier in the thread, Ginobili could probably shoot threes at a better clip than Leonard, but Green's shooting is on a higher level than most people realize.
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    Green is a 1-dimensional offensive player that plays decent defense..he excels at a high level with that only dimension, I'm not selling him short, he's an elite regular season shooter..he's the Spurs version of Mike Dunleavy, which is a good asset, tbh..
    Pretty much Bruce Bowen's role. Excels at assisted 3s within the system (plus Danny takes the occasional transition 3). Obviously, he has a bunch of steps to go to reach Bruce's defensive prowess.

    Don't ask him to dribble, attack the rim, run an offense or pretty much anything else. I'll add that unlike Bonner, he can play more than situational minutes because his defense can be decent for stretches.

    Agree he's an asset, but would have a terrible time playing without somebody actually creating the offense out there.
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    Can Green be a better leader for the second unit and set the table for others? No.

    Manu plays a more important role and has a more well-rounded skillset to perform in that role.

    I like Danny, but he's no Manu.
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    Players that need to get wide open looks to succeed usually don't succeed in the playoffs because there are a lot less wide open looks. That label fits Bonner more than Green, but I think it still applies to Green. I expect Green to do worse in the playoffs. To my untrained eye he seems to do worse overall when he isn't hitting his shots. (I guess that implies his defense gets worse because the other areas of his game couldn't get much worse)

    No team game plans for Green. I sense that because he is so hot/cold, there is even less reason to consider him a consistent threat. That's not to diminish his contributions, but this elevation of Green in general is silly.
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    f*ck this "has *insert player* surpassed Manu as the nth best player of the team?"

    Manu is still number 3, with manu playing decent, we can win any game.
    As long as Parker and Duncan are the scoring option, Manu will always be 3 and Kawhi is 4th.
    not to mention, your Green is 6th with Tiago in 5th.
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    When you are thinking that X player has Surpassed Ginobili you have to chill and think.

    Can player X takeover a playoff game and win it... Because i can place bet against anyone that Ginobili still can.

    Green and Leonard wouldn´t even dream of it.
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    The best change I've noticed in Danny Green this year is his confidence. Props to him for stepping up and not letting up after getting a new contract.
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    He's so ing ass, tbh..

    It's nice that he shoots 3s at an elite level, but can he learn how to ing dribble and make layups?..
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    nothing similar between Green and Bonner..
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    green as bad as it is still > than broken manu
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    Manu > Green... nothing we didn't know already
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    green as bad as it is still > than broken manu
    Put the bottle down.
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    I would have more faith in Manu with broken hands and broken legs than in Danny Green. Specially in the playoffs where our shooters start choking. I would also like to see Jax with Kawhi in the closing minutes of the games instead of Danny now that Manu is out.
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    Has Danny Green Surpassed Ginobili as the 4th Best Player on the Team?
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    Green is for sure limited but he is a terrific fit with this Spurs team with his relatively good defense and his great 3 point shooting.
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    lol
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    green as bad as it is still > than broken manu who can't be on the court. 1 armed Manu is twice the player Green is
    FIFY
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    Read the arguments in this thread for a good laugh, tbh..
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    good bump
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    4th?

    try 6th

    TP
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    Kawhi
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    now of course that would change if you let Green handle the ball. But it's on Pop to find a use for Ginobili that will hopefully take him to being 4th best Spur where he belongs and stop him from looking pathetic
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    Maybe the Jackson's incident is related to Danny Green.

    Pop wanted Jackson to admit Green is better than Jack...and the rest is history.
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