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WTF?
I think my opinion is pretty clear to anyone who has been paying attention. Messi is the best player I have seen in my lifetime and by a big ass margin I may add. I can't talk about the others 'cause I haven't seen them play.
Why u are afraid to say your opinion
I think my opinion is pretty clear to anyone who has been paying attention. Messi is the best player I have seen in my lifetime and by a big ass margin I may add. I can't talk about the others 'cause I haven't seen them play.
I think my opinion is pretty clear to anyone who has been paying attention. Messi is the best player I have seen in my lifetime and by a big ass margin I may add. I can't talk about the others 'cause I haven't seen them play.
So you are rich and u don't give a that's clear.
yeah dumb laws like for importing stuff in Argentina you need to sell the same amount in exportation, great ing law. like the one when you need to travel you have to buy currencies in the black market because bank central is so corrupted or rigid that u cannot change some money.
nice government that lies about inflation
but if you are rich and Argentina government must be nice indeed.
Look I love Argentina for real probably my favorite country in the world but corruption and politicians kill it slowly but surely
My personal top 5 is:
1-Messi
2-Ronaldo (Original one)
3-Zidane
4-Ronaldinho
5-Xavi/C.Ronaldo
I'm not rich, I'm middle class. And the laws are stupid/good/non-important depending on your ideology. I don't give a about buying currencies 'cause I don't plan on going anywhere, the ones that do are people that can afford to go elsewhere so that's not an anti-poor law if anything is anti-rich law.So you are rich and u don't give a that's clear.
yeah dumb laws like for importing stuff in Argentina you need to sell the same amount in exportation, great ing law. like the one when you need to travel you have to buy currencies in the black market because bank central is so corrupted or rigid that u cannot change some money.
nice government that lies about inflation
but if you are rich and Argentina government must be nice indeed.
Look I love Argentina for real probably my favorite country in the world but corruption and politicians kill it slowly but surely"I can't go to Miami these holidays"
I care more about other laws like the "asignación universal por hijo" (securing a sure amount of money to each family for it's child), gay marriage, not penalizing the people that want to smoke weed, the democratization of the media and finally punishing all those ers that killed people while in power during the dictatorships' years.
I'm not rich, I'm middle class. And the laws are stupid/good/non-important depending on your ideology. I don't give a about buying currencies 'cause I don't plan on going anywhere, the ones that do are people that can afford to go elsewhere so that's not an anti-poor law if anything is anti-rich law.
I care more about other laws like the "asignación universal por hijo" (securing a sure amount of money to each family for it's child), gay marriage, not penalizing the people that want to smoke weed, the democratization of the media and finally punishing all those ers that killed people while in power during the dictatorships' years.
Sorry but sending a kid 1 month to another country to do something he can do in his own country isn't somehting that is high in my priority list. Of course it would be nice to have all those chances but with the way the other goverments had left this country there are other things to do now, like improving the consume inside the country and all those laws that iyo are "dumb" help in this regard. The "controlled" inflation makes people spend more 'cause they know money isn't worth much in their pockets, the currency thing improves the tourism inside the country which is on an all-time high (strage for as you say "such a poor country"), the import/export thing helped local producers, etc. It's the best way to do things? probably not but it's the best they could do with the way the country was after the 2001 crisis.
French women just giving themselves up to Messi...
Rachida Dati: "I'd only leave politics if Messi proposed to me"
That's terrible, and the logic is terrible too. Inflation liquifies salaries. The most damaged with high inflation are actually the poor. The rich have enough money to buy assets and rarely hold on to cash. It reduces the standard of living which end up benefiting the rich the most, since they can then pay dimes for labor while they sell and pile up money in a serious currency overseas. A little inflation isn't bad, but when you're doing 2%-3% a month, you're basically robbing people an extra 30% a year from their hard earned income, and that's not just the rich, but everyone, including the poorest of the poor.
The whole consumption angle is also terrible, and assumes people are stupid, which they're not. People know you can't save with pesos, that doesn't mean they'll go and spend the money. What they do is they end up saving anyways, but in gold, dollars, or whatever else non-depreciating asset they can get their hands on.
Rachida Dati talking out of her ass again
French government puppet
The thing is that the salaries improve according to the inflation and the goverment is spending/inverting a whole lot more than in recent years in things like health care, retirement salaries, housing, etc. Things in which people had to spend a lot more money on in the past.
Yeah, well but like we were saying those are hard to "get your hands on" so people spend it in houses, land, cars, clothe, investments, etc.The whole consumption angle is also terrible, and assumes people are stupid, which they're not. People know you can't save with pesos, that doesn't mean they'll go and spend the money. What they do is they end up saving anyways, but in gold, dollars, or whatever else non-depreciating asset they can get their hands on.
The "consumption" thing isn't something arguable, there are facts, numbers that indicate that has increased. If you were still living in the country you could even see it with your own eyes. Everytime there's a long weekend (another thing in which this goverment was smart on) the vacation locations get infested with people from all over the country.
If things were as bad as some people (the minority) make it to seem why would the Kirchners be now on their third term? And why the people that are more oppossed to this goverment are usually the ones in the upper classes? I have yet to meet a lower class person that isn't happy with this goverment.
'improving' in relation to what? They're capping raises to 20% when the inflation in one year is higher than that. Public healthcare was always subsidized and pretty crappy. Housing for who? With that kind of inflation you can't get any kind of long term credit that's not over 20%-30% APR, even when it's government subsidized. This is basic economics. Government can keep printing and printing, but at some point it's gonna burst again. It's back to 1988, 2001, etc...
Please, you're not talking to somebody that doesn't know what's up. You can't miss the arbolitos.
I can't believe you keep peddling the "people spend it in houses, land, cars, clothe, investments"... investments are the first thing that goes with high inflation. You need solid, low interest credit to invest, and that's gone. Government spending the money it doesn't have isn't 'investment', it's subsidizing. House construction has dropped dramatically in the last couple of years, coincident with inflation raising (this isn't Nestor's economy with a 7% annual GDP growth). And finally, cars and clothes are depreciating expenses. You're basically telling me people are stupid. But I know they're not.
You got that backwards: what you're seeing is poorer and poorer people that can't afford to vacation anywhere else because their income is getting liquidated by inflation. BTW, once you adjust for inflation, the consumption numbers are stuck. There's only so much internal demand. As a matter of fact, people are becoming so poor, that if the government doesn't step in and freezes consumer prices, people wouldn't be able to even afford to purchase basic stuff.
Now you're taking a partisan stance. Nestor was a good president, but he also governed during a time when the global economy was still paying top money for some Argentina products (ie: grains, cheap tech labor, etc), and the economy and capital influx was expanding. But that's not there anymore. I know you're young, but this manic money printing is a movie we've seen many times before. It never ends well.
Poor people are the ones that get caught in the middle when the bubble explodes. When the price controls become unsustainable and the 'correction' eventually happens. We'll see how happy they are then. They're definitely not the ones spending in "houses, land, cars, clothe, investments"...
It's the middle class that's getting obliterated. They can't even open up a shop without the government telling them how much to sell their for, who they should advertise with, and what credit card they should accept. It's banana republic at it's finest.
DAF, Elnono interesting discussion on Argentinean situation
I do care about this country and I'm absolutely concerned bu the situation. We are reaching a point (I and my company) where the big debate is when to close the facilities we have in Cordoba. Its becoming impossible to do business, tax regulations are too uncertain, political situation is precarious, inflation of 30% is just awful to work with. Companies like mine need to build business plan over 5 - 10 years, issue with Argentina is that you have 0 vision of whats going to happen.
For me the last measures controlling prices, limiting exchange rates, importations... are awful and dangerous. DAF you can say I have only the business view but at the end if we leave the country it will be 1200 jobs out of Argentina and 1200 jobs in Brazil.
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Brazil can have them. The government will step in and 'create' another 1200 jobs. How dare you wanting to make money and be successful?DAF, Elnono interesting discussion on Argentinean situation
I do care about this country and I'm absolutely concerned bu the situation. We are reaching a point (I and my company) where the big debate is when to close the facilities we have in Cordoba. Its becoming impossible to do business, tax regulations are too uncertain, political situation is precarious, inflation of 30% is just awful to work with. Companies like mine need to build business plan over 5 - 10 years, issue with Argentina is that you have 0 vision of whats going to happen.
For me the last measures controlling prices, limiting exchange rates, importations... are awful and dangerous. DAF you can say I have only the business view but at the end if we leave the country it will be 1200 jobs out of Argentina and 1200 jobs in Brazil.
seriously tho, I've worked a lot with Argentina like 8 years ago. At that time, Argentina was becoming really important for automotive industry in South America, we had some JV projects with local companies in Cordoba region but also Tierra Del Fuego, stuff was growing (VW, Fiat were planning significant investments). I came back in Brazil and I again work a lot with Argentina but situation is opposite, losses are massive, every two weeks I have threats to loose importation licenses because of low amounts blocked at central bank level, commercial issues es between Brazil and Argentina are a pain in the ass, inflation doesn't stop... and honestly if you want to do stuff properly with tax or social administration you have to be prepared for months of blocking. I have no idea of how Argies are seeing the situation but superficially and externally I just see regression.Brazil can have them. The government will step in and 'create' another 1200 jobs. How dare you wanting to make money and be successful?
I don't often post but when I do it's usually because I have something important to say. Now I don't want you to take this personal but your threads are terrible. Again I don't know who you are, what you do, etc but I certainly hope that your contribution to this website is not the culmination of your life.
Well, I have already admitted that this isn't probably the best way to go around things but it's a way that 'till now has been good enough, at least IMO. It all comes down to ideologies, for me goverment having control over a lot of stuff is a good thing. Call it subsiding, call it wathever, it allows lower class people to live at least a little more comfortable (trust me, I have seen many examples of this among the people I know). That it may explode somedy? maybe but I have been hearing that for almost a decade now and I'm still waiting for it to happen.
What would your policies be if you were in charge of Argentina right now? I know it's a tough/strage question but play along
On economics:What would your policies be if you were in charge of Argentina right now? I know it's a tough/strage question but play along
- Reduce considerably the money printer. Target a 6-12% *annual* inflation. The current worldwide economy is deflationary. To actually reach a 10% inflation you have to print a lot of dough. The fact that they're currently at 30% is criminal.
- Because you won't print as much, you need to reduce government spending. Don't make Spain's mistake of trying tax your way of trying to keep the government size. Focus on keeping important public services (ie:healthcare, college) free.
- Stop grandfathering stuff that the private sector can do if there's reasonable inflation and serious economic outlook (ie: random drawings to see who lands a government credit(!)).
- The private sector isn't a bad word. You have to have certain regulations, but making money isn't 'dirty'.
- Stop issuing bonds in foreign currency (this one is a killer, and hard to do because nobody is touching a bond in pesos, especially since they're taking over the judicial system).
- I'll go even further and start switching debt in foreign currency into local currency. Investors are going to be pissed, but it's the only way you can control your own destiny and you can forget about the dollar.
- Reduce IVA to 7%, but make sure everyone actually invoices and pays for it.
- Provide an outline of a program for the next 4-8 years, and stick to it. Changing the rules mid-stream is a killer.
- I'm fine with a balanced import-export policy, but you need to set clear rules, not Moreno coming out every day with new rules.
- Remove the esoteric exchange rate controls. They don't work. They never do. If you do things right, they don't matter.
- Violence and poverty are tightly related. You keep people poor, and you'll keep people violent.
On politics and justice, there's a very long laundry list. But tackling the economy would be a good start.
Why do you have my name in your head all the time
For me, Zidane is the best i have seen personally, stay with what i said. Because i love his playing style the most.
But to each his own!
How Soccer forum turned into this?
Messi is injured, tbh... we're just filling in
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