My Music (only music freaks allowed)

[Avante]

Also not about music.

You hijacked your own thread, chubby.

Once again I can only take so much of you before ..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You remain the most boring poster I have ever encountered on the net. Why I even bother with you at all? Why would anyone? Your dumb to begin with, you don't know anything.

Ok done with ya for now, maybe tomorrow I'll toss ya another bone.

[ChumpDumper]

Once again I can only take so much of you before ..zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz. You remain the most boring poster I have ever encountered on the net. Why I even bother with you at all? Why would anyone? Your dumb to begin with, you don't know anything.

Ok done with ya for now, maybe tomorrow I'll toss ya another bone.

As long as it keeps you from posting more music and track Spam....

[manufan10]

I also enjoy some punk covers:

[CuckingFunt]

Knowledge is knowing all about something, where it began, where it is right now. The more you know about anything the better off you will be. That's why we see all those colleges.

I meet a guy who wants to talk about Texas blues so he starts telling me about Johnny Winter and Stevie Ray Vaughn. I ask him do ya know where Texas blues started? After he says....well no not really. I tell him about Blind Lemon Jefferson, Texas Alexander, Little Hat Jones, Bessie Tucker, Funny Papa Smith, Henry Thomas, Ramblin' Thomas, Willie Reed, then work my way up with...Lightnin' Hopkins, Albert Collins, Larry Davis. Bob Wills and His Texas Playboys played some blues.

Now the guy knows who to search out if he's into Texas Blues. On his own he'll discover...Joe Pullum, Whistlin' Alex Moore, Ida May Mack, Victoria Spivey, Black Boy Shine, Black Ivory King, The Black Ace. He'll find out that while he was actually from Louisiana Leadbelly spent most his time in Texas.

Without knowledge you don't know enought to know what's "really" what. Why do you battle this so hard? It isn't very obvious I'm very serious about a few pet interests and know all about them?

But how do you define "knowing all about something?" Is it as simple as knowing the names and dates associated with that thing? Or does your version of knowledge include things like music theory, critical theory, cultural theory, and/or placing blues and other roots genres within the greater context of music history as a whole?

Based on your answers and your discussions so far, it seems as though your definition of knowledge is primarily limited to just its demographic information: who recorded it, the year it was recorded, where the artist was from, and perhaps what else they recorded, and so forth. If that is the case, then I'm still curious as to how, exactly, that knowledge enhances or otherwise deepens your experience of the music. That was the second part of my question, which remains unanswered.

[Avante]

But how do you define "knowing all about something?" Is it as simple as knowing the names and dates associated with that thing? Or does your version of knowledge include things like music theory, critical theory, cultural theory,and/or placing blues and other roots genres within the greater context of music history as a whole?

Based on your answers and your discussions so far, it seems as though your definition of knowledge is primarily limited to just its demographic information: who recorded it, the year it was recorded, where the artist was from, and perhaps what else they recorded, and so forth. If that is the case, then I'm still curious as to how, exactly, that knowledge enhances or otherwise deepens your experience of the music. That was the second part of my question, which remains unanswered.

I haven't made it very very obvious I'm into mixing? yes I have. To do that right you will need to know the what, where and when. I wanna mix Robert Johnson to Honeyboy Edwards Delta Blues (1936-1942) I will need to know just who did record them blues between 36-42 and were from the Mississippi Delta.....right?

Well that would be...

Robert Petway
Tommy McClennon
Robert Lockwood
Willie "61" Blackwell
Tony Hollins
Muddy Waters
Big Boy Crudup
Mose Andrews

Now ya wanna record a mix featuring lengendary Appalachian/Hillbillie music? Just who would that be? How about...

Dock Boggs
Clarence Ashley
Frank Hutchison
Justice
B.F.Shelton
Roscoe Holcomb
Hazel ens

Wanna talk oldies, country and western, train songs, prison songs, urban blues, British bands? How can I mix a region/time/who sang what/ period if I don't know the region/time/who sang what/ period? Wanna talk Alan Lomax and his field recordings? Yep, I'll need to know what field recordings.....right?

You might be happy to just listen, that doesn't work for me. I wanna know about the music so I do.

Do you honestly believe John Lee Hooker knew or cared about any of that stuff you were talking about?



Now can a white cat pull that off, of course not. So I need to know who was who....right?

[manufan10]

I found these guys a few years ago:

[Avante]

I found these guys a few years ago:

I can't help but think of...

[ChumpDumper]

I haven't made it very very obvious I'm into mixing? yes I have. To do that right you will need to know the what, where and when.

Not necessary at all.

[CuckingFunt]

I haven't made it very very obvious I'm into mixing? yes I have. To do that right you will need to know the what, where and when. I wanna mix Robert Johnson to Honeyboy Edwards Delta Blues (1936-1942) I will need to know just who did record them blues between 36-42 and were from the Mississippi Delta.....right?

Well that would be...

Robert Petway
Tommy McClennon
Robert Lockwood
Willie "61" Blackwell
Tony Hollins
Muddy Waters
Big Boy Crudup
Mose Andrews

Now ya wanna record a mix featuring lengendary Appalachian/Hillbillie music? Just who would that be? How about...

Dock Boggs
Clarence Ashley
Frank Hutchison
Justice
B.F.Shelton
Roscoe Holcomb
Hazel ens

Wanna talk oldies, country and western, train songs, prison songs, urban blues, British bands? How can I mix a region/time/who sang what/ period if I don't know the region/time/who sang what/ period? Wanna talk Alan Lomax and his field recordings? Yep, I'll need to know what field recordings.....right?

You might be happy to just listen, that doesn't work for me. I wanna know about the music so I do.

Do you honestly believe John Lee Hooker knew or cared about any of that stuff you were talking about?



Now can a white cat pull that off, of course not. So I need to know who was who....right?

So, then, the music knowledge that you consider important doesn't include critical/cultural theory or the greater context of music history. Okay. That question answered, even if only through omission.

You instead value the names, dates, and locations of the music being produced and the artists recording it. And all of that makes the music SOUND better?

Because that's the other half of what I've been asking you; how your knowledge of the names, dates, and apparently race, of the people/music specifically enhances or deepens your experience of the music. I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. To use myself as an example, I take music history and critical/cultural theory pretty seriously, so I like knowing about music, but when it comes to my experience of music it's entirely visceral; I like what I like because of how it sounds. If for you the knowledge enhances the gut reaction, I'd like to know how/why. It really shouldn't be that complicated.

[Avante]

So, then, the music knowledge that you consider important doesn't include critical/cultural theory or the greater context of music history. Okay. That question answered, even if only through omission.

You instead value the names, dates, and locations of the music being produced and the artists recording it. And all of that makes the music SOUND better?

Because that's the other half of what I've been asking you; how your knowledge of the names, dates, and apparently race, of the people/music specifically enhances or deepens your experience of the music. I'm asking out of genuine curiosity. To use myself as an example, I take music history and critical/cultural theory pretty seriously, so I like knowing about music, but when it comes to my experience of music it's entirely visceral; I like what I like because of how it sounds. If for you the knowledge enhances the gut reaction, I'd like to know how/why. It really shouldn't be that complicated.

Ok...

You are dead on when it comes to sound. But....what sound? It's all about...mood. Where ya wanting to go tonight? What if that sound I'm looking for is 1950's oldies? Will the Rolling Stones work...nope! What if I'm heading to Jamaica and want some reggae, will George Jones work....nope! It's all about the sound, the sound of whatever kind of music you are wanting to hear. You will think this totally/completely sucks. But if the sound I want is haunting Delta Blues from the 1920's it gets no better than this.



That is an amazing tune and Rube Lacy only recorded one record, yep....knowledge.


It's all about the..mood..sound...you are looking for. By knowing who is who and what is what think of all the options I have. Far more than you or anyone else here. My problem is trying to decide on what sound I 'm looking for.

[ChumpDumper]

Ok...

You are dead on when it comes to sound. But....what sound? It's all about...mood. Where ya wanting to go tonight? What if that sound I'm looking for is 1950's oldies? Will the Rolling Stones work...nope! What if I'm heading to Jamaica and want some reggae, will George Jones work....nope! It's all about the sound, the sound of whatever kind of music you are wanting to hear. You will think this totally/completely sucks. But if the sound I want is haunting Delta Blues from the 1920's it gets no better than this.



It's all about the..mood..sound...you are looking for. By knowing who is who and what is what think of all the options I have. Far more than you or anyone else here. My problem is trying to decide on what sound I 'm looking for.

Everyone here has every option available to you and probably more than you know of.

You don't know as much as you think you do, and no amount of YouTube Spam will convince anyone otherwise.

[Avante]

Everyone here has every option available to you and probably more than you know of.

You don't know as much as you think you do, and no amount of YouTube Spam will convince anyone otherwise.

Point blank, if it's that old blues. football or sprinting, I do know it all. And would love to prove it.

If he recorded prior to 1950 I have him, if he started for an NFL team I'm aware of him, if he ran world class track I'm up on him. Facts!

12 huge books on them blues
been a subscriber of Track & Field News since 1970
NFL Encyclopedia

Now add the magazines and other books.

[ChumpDumper]

Point blank, if it's that old blues. football or sprinting, I do know it all. And would love to prove it.

Of course you would -- but you can't and it doesn't matter.

If he recorded prior to 1950 I have him, if he started for an NFL team I'm aware of him, if he ran world class track I'm up on him. Facts!

12 huge books on them blues
been a subscriber og Track & Field News since 1970
NFL Encyclopedia

Now add the magazines and other books.

So very limited selection of music and other stuff that isn't music at all.

You just proved yourself wrong.

[CuckingFunt]

Ok...

You are dead on when it comes to sound. But....what sound? It's all about...mood. Where ya wanting to go tonight? What if that sound I'm looking for is 1950's oldies? Will the Rolling Stones work...nope! What if I'm heading to Jamaica and want some reggae, will George Jones work....nope! It's all about the sound, the sound of whatever kind of music you are wanting to hear. You will think this totally/completely sucks. But if the sound I want is haunting Delta Blues from the 1920's it gets no better than this.



That is an amazing tune and Rube Lacy only recorded one record, yep....knowledge.


It's all about the..mood..sound...you are looking for. By knowing who is who and what is what think of all the options I have. Far more than you or anyone else here. My problem is trying to decide on what sound I 'm looking for.

So, then, all the names and dates do nothing to enhance your experience of the music.

Gotcha.

[Avante]

Of course you would -- but you can't and it doesn't matter.

So very limited selection of music and other stuff that isn't music at all.

You just proved yourself wrong.

Wow!

Ok man...

Over there rock and roll....Stones, Doors, Hendrix, Joplin, Abimals etc
Oldies...Drifters, Platters, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley etc
Rockabilly...Elvis, Carl Perkins, Eddie Cochran, Jerry Lee Lewis, Gene Vincent etc
Paleface Blues...Stevie Ray Vaughn, Johnny Winter, James Harman, John Hammond etc
Country..Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc
Big Band...Harry James, Duke Ellington, Count Basie etc
Urban Blues...Little Walter, Buddy Guy, Fenton Robinson, Charles Brown etc
Country Blues...Charley Patton, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Bessie Smith, Ma Rainey etc
R&B/Soul...Al Green, Marvin Gay, Otis Redding, James Brown
Reggae...Bob Marley

Then a ton of....Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, JJ Cale, Bruce Springsteen, John Hiatt, Paul Weller, Harry Manx, Chris Thomas King, Ray Lamontagne, Damien Rice, etc etc..

Oh yes...limited.

Dude, are you for real?

[ChumpDumper]

Wow!

Ok man...

Over there rock and roll....Stones, Doors, Hendrix, Joplin, Abimals etc
Oldies...Drifters, Platters, Chuck Berry, Little Richard, Bo Diddley etc
Rockabilly...Elvis, Carl Perkins, Eddie Cochrane, Jerry Lee Lewis, Gene Vincent etc
Paleface Blues...Stevie Ray Vaughn, Johnny Winter, James Harman, John Hammond etc
Country..Jimmie Rodgers, Hank Williams, Johnny Cash, Waylon Jennings, etc
Big Band...Harry James, Duke Ellington, Count Basie etc
Urban Blues...Little Walter, Buddy Guy, Fenton Robinson, Charles Brown etc
Country Blues...Charley Patton, Blind Lemon Jefferson, Bessie Smith, Ma Rainey etc
R&B/Soul...Al Green, Marvin Gay, Otis Redding, James Brown
Reggae...Bob Marley

Then a ton of....Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen, JJ Cale, Bruce Springsteen, John Hiatt, Paul Weller, Harry Manx, Chris Thomas King, Ray Lamontagne, Damien Rice, etc etc..

Oh yes...limited.

Yeah, a pretty pedestrian collection one would expect from an uncultured white dude from the central valley tbh.

A bunch of Time-Life box sets you picked up at Salty's in Modesto. Big whoop.

[Avante]

So, then, all the names and dates do nothing to enhance your experience of the music.

Gotcha.

Let me go real slow, ok?

I need things to be done with a scheme in mind...

ok ya with me?

I put things where they belong as opposed to just listening to whatever.

Getting that?

I go with years regions and who does what.

Still there?

So with a theme I enjoy the experience far more. Train songs, Ice Pick and Razor songs, Drinking songs, Blues from Georgia, Hillbillie from Kenkucky. I love that sort of thing. But in order to have that I must know the music, yep...knowledge.

Let me guess, way too complex for ya, right?

[Avante]

Yeah, a pretty pedestrian collection one would expect from an uncultured white dude from the central valley tbh.

A bunch of Time-Life box sets you picked up at Salty's in Modesto. Big whoop.

I also have all alternative stuff but who doesn't? Those groups are a dime a dozen.

Give me an example of what you consider a good listen and then I'll show you a real good listen. Got balls or BB's.

[ChumpDumper]

I also have all alternative stuff but who doesn't? Those groups are a dime a dozen.

lol "all"

Give me an example of what you consider a good listen and then I'll show you a real good listen. Got balls or BB's.

I made no claims. You did.

And you failed.

[Avante]

lol "all"

I made no claims. You did.

And you failed.

This is where ya continue to up, ya never back up anything. Ya just run your mouth. Dude, yank your head out of your ass and actually do something. Show me some video of what you listen to or shut the up.

Let me guess you're ashame to share that.

I gotta a ton of those off the wall bands.

[ChumpDumper]

This is where ya continue to up, ya never back up anything. Ya just run your mouth.

Again, it was not I who made the claims.

Dude, yank yur head out of your ss and actually do something. Show me some video of what you listen to or shut the up.

There's already a thread for that, dummy. You just aren't that special. tracktalk.net proved that.

[Avante]

Again, it was not I who made the claims.There's already a thread for that, dummy. You just aren't that special. tracktalk.net proved that.

You see posting a video as something special, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Just as I suspected ya don't know about music...either.

Ok idiot, until you do post a music video, see ya~~~~~~~~

Thee's 3 minutes totally lost, hahaha!!!!!!!!

[ChumpDumper]

You see posting a video as something special, hahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

No, I see it in many cases as a crutch used by folks who simply can't carry on a decent conversation.

Just as I suspected ya don't know about music...either.

Just as I suspected, you can't stand anyone who doesn't speak your re ed language of fail.

Ok idiot, until you do post a music video, see ya~~~~~~~~

Only if you don't post one first~~~~~~~~~~

[Avante]

Here's a great example of what I'm talking about.



The guy mentions it's an old Appalacian tune. Yep, it was first recorded around 1933 by the great Clarence Ashley, the guy who first recorded ...House of the Rising Sun. Bob Dylan also covered Little Sadie but here's the original.



That sort of thing is far more interesting that just listening to music.

[CuckingFunt]

Let me go real slow, ok?

I need things to be done with a scheme in mind...

ok ya with me?

I put things where they belong as opposed to just listening to whatever.

Getting that?

I go with years regions and who does what.

Still there?

So with a theme I enjoy the experience far more. Train songs, Ice Pick and Razor songs, Drinking songs, Blues from Georgia, Hillbillie from Kenkucky. I love that sort of thing. But in order to have that I must know the music, yep...knowledge.

Let me guess, way too complex for ya, right?

No. In order to do that all you have to have is access to the interwebs. If I wanted to listen to music that followed in the footsteps of The Mills Brothers, for example, Google or allmusic.com or something like that could easily direct me to, oh, I dunno, The Cats & the Fiddle, whom I could then check out on YouTube and purchase/explore more based on how much I enjoyed the experience of listening to their music. But knowing that in advance wouldn't make their music sound any better on first listen, just as seeking those answers online wouldn't make it sound any worse.

If you feel compelled to know the things you know about the music you like, it's not because it has any appreciable effect on the way the music sounds. You like to know that stuff for reasons external to your visceral experience -- your gut reaction, as it were -- of the music. I theorized early in this thread that the reason you find that level of knowledge is because of ego; you take pride in knowing it. Which is fine. If you get off on having all of these things committed to memory, then more power to you. But it hardly makes for compelling discussion on its own. It doesn't make the way you experience music any more intense or interesting than the way anyone else experiences music. And the fact you can rattle off information easily attained by anyone who cared through Google while apparently lacking the ability to discuss music in a way that is even remotely deep or sophisticated is far from impressive. I doubt there's a single person here who has learned more from one of your posts than they could have learned in a YouTube vortex, but in the latter it would have at least been instigated by their own interest and desire to keep looking.