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    Bush doesn't get enough credit for helping out AIDS victims in Africa. And I think the "No Child Left Behind" was a good idea in theory, which sadly hasn't borne out.

    That's about all I'll give him credit for though.

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    Rick Perry is a cunning political animal. Would you consider him intelligent?
    fairly, yeah. he's not dumb.

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    fairly, yeah. he's not dumb.


    LOL the idiot running Texas getting a D in economics. LOL getting a D in high school math and C's in high school physics in college.

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    LOL the idiot running Texas getting a D in economics. LOL getting a D in high school math and C's in high school physics in college.
    Is that his entire transcript or is that missing two years? If so, any clue how he did those years?

    FYI, my grades sucked my freshmen year. I took a few years off and grew up before returning to school and graduating with a 3.6. But for my first year, I probably would have been around a 3.8. Would those grades along with a law degree from a top 30 law school, graduating in the top 10% of my class, qualify me to run Texas?

    I am not arguing that Perry is Rhodes Scholar, but I believe he is in his 4th term as governor of one of the richest most powerful states in the union. Mind you, he reached his pos ion without being filthy rich or the son of a famous politician. The man is not dumb.

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    Is that his entire transcript or is that missing two years? If so, any clue how he did those years?

    FYI, my grades sucked my freshmen year. I took a few years off and grew up before returning to school and graduating with a 3.6. But for my first year, I probably would have been around a 3.8. Would those grades along with a law degree from a top 30 law school, graduating in the top 10% of my class, qualify me to run Texas?

    I am not arguing that Perry is Rhodes Scholar, but I believe he is in his 4th term as governor of one of the richest most powerful states in the union. Mind you, he reached his pos ion without being filthy rich or the son of a famous politician. The man is not dumb.
    There's the other half. LOL Perry is a re .



    Perry's a crook backed by people with money. Best little in Texas.

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    Is that his entire transcript or is that missing two years? If so, any clue how he did those years?

    FYI, my grades sucked my freshmen year. I took a few years off and grew up before returning to school and graduating with a 3.6. But for my first year, I probably would have been around a 3.8. Would those grades along with a law degree from a top 30 law school, graduating in the top 10% of my class, qualify me to run Texas?

    I am not arguing that Perry is Rhodes Scholar, but I believe he is in his 4th term as governor of one of the richest most powerful states in the union. Mind you, he reached his pos ion without being filthy rich or the son of a famous politician. The man is not dumb.
    He reached his position by being a corporate puppet backed by filthy rich people. And yeah, he's done a great job making Texas rich by decimating state education spending so he can give tax blow jobs to the rich people who put him in office without creating budget deficits. Taking money away from public education and putting it in the pockets of rich people might keep him in office but it's something that does not require much intelligence and I'm willing to bet it's a budget plan you could come up with.

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    When it comes to politicians, people with money don't invest in re s. They invest in people who are smart enough to figure out how to keep getting re-elected and who are smart enough to exert influence over others. Perry excels at both.

    Was he a less than motivated student? Absolutely. Is he dumb? Absolutely not.

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    When it comes to politicians, people with money don't invest in re s. They invest in people who are smart enough to figure out how to keep getting re-elected and who are smart enough to exert influence over others. Perry excels at both.

    Was he a less than motivated student? Absolutely. Is he dumb? Absolutely not.
    Are you kidding? They love investing in simpletons like Rick Perry who are dumb enough to believe re ed ideas like getting rid of public education and the EPA. Why do you think the Koch Brothers pour money into candidates like Mic e Bachmann and Sarah Palin? They're dumb simpletons who buy into "deregulate and privatize everything!" as the best solution.

    They also don't need to worry about the candidate's ability to get reelected because the only way a candidate gets another term in this country is if he/she spends the first term giving corporate blow jobs.

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    Are you kidding? They love investing in simpletons like Rick Perry who are dumb enough to believe re ed ideas like getting rid of public education and the EPA. Why do you think the Koch Brothers pour money into candidates like Mic e Bachmann and Sarah Palin? They're dumb simpletons who buy into "deregulate and privatize everything!" as the best solution.
    My line of work, public infrastructure design & construction, is intertwined with politics and I know and work with people who move in those political circles. I'm no fan of Perry. I've never voted for him and never will. But believe me, Rick Perry isn't a simpleton. He's an intelligent, vindictive a-hole who knows how to manipulate people. Don't beleive all the "Fed Up", "secede" garbage. It's nothing but rhetoric to fire up the hardcore Texas conservative, which is the group that keeps getting him re-elected. Perry knows how to pick his friends and people in this state with money definitely want to be his friend because he absolutely crushes his enemies.

    As for Bachmann, a good chunk of Koch's operations are in Bachmann's backyard so I'm guessing that has more to do with why she's getting money from them than anything.

    They also don't need to worry about the candidate's ability to get reelected because the only way a candidate gets another term in this country is if he/she spends the first term giving corporate blow jobs.
    They absolutely need to worry about the candidate's ability to get relected. Spending money on a candidate who loses is not only a waste of money, but it puts them in a bad spot with the candidate who did win.

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    http://www.nationaljournal.com/polit...d-man-20130422

    Fact is that both Bush and Clinton do small acts of kindness every day, with little or no public notice.Why? Because, like past presidents, they realize the office is bigger than they are. Because they are deeply grateful for the job we gave them, and they feel obliged to return the favor.
    Our presidents and ex-presidents are not perfect. You won’t always agree with them. You might not even think they’re worthy of the office. But try to remember what Clinton told me a few days before he left Arkansas for Washington (and a few years before the Lewinsky affair made it sadly ironic): “You don’t check your humanity at the Oval Office door.”
    Remembering that is to respect the office. And it’s the decent thing to do.

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    disagree about the low intelligence. getting elected TX governor three times and US president twice indicates a cunning political animal.
    Or a great supporting cast. It's not like this was an uncommon political cir stance historically.

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    Could you name a politician you consider intelligent and why you would classify them as such? Just curious.
    Newt Gingrich comes to mind. He seems to have a firm grasp of any number of subjects. His politics are horrible, but I think he is an intelligent man.

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    Newt Gingrich comes to mind. He seems to have a firm grasp of any number of subjects. His politics are horrible, but I think he is an intelligent man.
    Yeah as someone who thinks Bush and Perry are idiots surrounded by smart people I think Mitt Romney individually is extremely intelligent. He and Newt were the two smartest people in the 2012 Republican primary imo.

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    Yeah as someone who thinks Bush and Perry are idiots surrounded by smart people I think Mitt Romney individually is extremely intelligent. He and Newt were the two smartest people in the 2012 Republican primary imo.
    Yeah. I agree with that.

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    Evaluating presidents ?

    Come on man they are just puppets, they just follow orders from a higher authority

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    Yeah as someone who thinks Bush and Perry are idiots surrounded by smart people I think Mitt Romney individually is extremely intelligent. He and Newt were the two smartest people in the 2012 Republican primary imo.
    True, I bet both were in at least the top 3-4% of the nation on their SATs, GREs, etc. Perry was the only candidate who sounded legitimately count-to-potato dumb.

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    True, I bet both were in at least the top 3-4% of the nation on their SATs, GREs, etc. Perry was the only candidate who sounded legitimately count-to-potato dumb.
    Yeah Newt has a PHD from Tulane and while Mitt Romney is a private equity god (say what you want about his ethics, but people lacking intelligence don't become wildly successful private equity CEOs). Newt was by far the most articulate candidate during the debates, especially because he got under the skin of whichever candidate he wanted whenever he wanted. Before Bachmann dropped out he could troll her into having an estrogen-filled meltdown with no effort and they were always hilarious. He'd get a smug, eating grin on his face and say, "This is an example of why I say Mic e struggles with the facts" while snickering to himself and she'd take the bait ever time.

    I'd argue Rick Santorum also sounded re ed because he couldn't help himself from getting caught up with social issues. He let the media harp on gay marriage way too much because he can't resist the temptation to explain how gay marriage leads to bestiality.

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    Bush has done a lot better than what we have now.


    He was even worse than Obama has been, tbh

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    Newt Gingrich comes to mind. He seems to have a firm grasp of any number of subjects. His politics are horrible, but I think he is an intelligent man.
    Newt is a blowhard who thinks he's a lot more intelligent than he actually is, tbh...

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    "people lacking intelligence don't become wildly successful private equity CEOs"

    he's dumb, he's a fake, an empty suite, as he demonstrated in the campaign. an equity broker said Gecko was an unethical bas . Those equity firms hire, throw big money at, the very best math, physics, legal, finance gunslingers and hit men, Gecko didn't do the dirty work.



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    Bush's Legacy of Atrocities Is Nowhere to Be Seen at His New Library -- and the Local Paper Won't Even Run One Ad That Tells the Truth




    George W. Bush presided over an international network of torture chambers and, with the help of a compliant Congress and press, launched a war of aggression that killed hundreds of thousands of men, women and children. However, instead of the bloody details of his time in office being recounted at a war crimes tribunal, the former president has been able to bank on his imperial privilege – and a network of rich corporate donors that he made richer while in office – to tell his version of history at a library in Texas being opened in his name.

    Kill a few, they call you a murderer. Kill tens of thousands, they give you $500 million for a granite vanity project and a glossy 30-page supplement in the local paper.

    Before getting into that, some facts. According to the US government, more than 100,000 people died following the 2003 invasion of Iraq; of that number, 4,486 were members of the US military. Other estimates place the figure at closer to one million deaths as a result of Bush's defining act in office: an aggressive war waged against a non-threat and which even some of his own advisers admit was illegal. So far, the wars started by Bush and continued by his heir, Barack Obama, have cost upwards of $3.1 trillion. That's money that could have been spent saving lives and building things, not ending and destroying them.

    But that's not going to be the narrative at the George W. Bush Presidential Library, opening this week in Dallas, Texas. No, that's going to be: 9/11, 9/11, 9/11 (see also: 9/11).

    Called the “Day of Fire,” a main attraction at the new library will be a display on the events of September 11, 2001, where “video images from the attacks flash around a twisted metal beam recovered from the wreckage of the World Trade Center,” according to the Associated Press.

    “It's very emotional and very profound,” Bush explained in an interview. “One of the reasons it has to be is because memories are fading rapidly and the profound impact of that attack is becoming dim with time.” That is to say, the former president has a keen interest in fanning the embers of outrage over the killing of nearly 3,000 Americans more than a decade ago lest the world view him poorly for the dozens of 9/11s he perpetrated not just on Iraq, but Afghanistan. Never forget the harm done to us or you just might remember the harm we inflicted on others.

    The corporate media doesn't want you to remember those depressing and damning details either. In a supplement that reads as a paid advertisement, The Dallas Morning News calls Bush's new library, “A place to learn,” reporting that the former president hopes the “evenhanded treatment” of his legacy “helps satisfy visitors' intellectual curiosity.” That piece is followed by a silky soft interview with the former first lady, Laura Bush, and an editorial that states that her husband “stands out as a leader whose convictions guided him.”

    http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-an...cal-paper-wont

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    Is that his entire transcript or is that missing two years? If so, any clue how he did those years?

    FYI, my grades sucked my freshmen year. I took a few years off and grew up before returning to school and graduating with a 3.6. But for my first year, I probably would have been around a 3.8. Would those grades along with a law degree from a top 30 law school, graduating in the top 10% of my class, qualify me to run Texas?

    I am not arguing that Perry is Rhodes Scholar, but I believe he is in his 4th term as governor of one of the richest most powerful states in the union. Mind you, he reached his pos ion without being filthy rich or the son of a famous politician. The man is not dumb.
    Those people just paid his way. He's dumb as a rock, which is what they want: someone who will do what they want without any thinking or independence. It's the new political reality. It doesn't take money or smarts, just a total lack of initiative or a soul, and a pretty face.

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    By all accounts, Bush is a good and decent man. Just a bad president.

    Obama pretty much continued Bush policies, but on steroids, and people love him.

    Ironic

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    By all accounts, Bush is a good and decent man. Just a bad president.

    Obama pretty much continued Bush policies, but on steroids, and people love him.

    Ironic
    you're full of , wrong on all counts, per usual

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    "people lacking intelligence don't become wildly successful private equity CEOs"

    he's dumb, he's a fake, an empty suite, as he demonstrated in the campaign. an equity broker said Gecko was an unethical bas . Those equity firms hire, throw big money at, the very best math, physics, legal, finance gunslingers and hit men, Gecko didn't do the dirty work.


    He became a dumb/fake empty suite because he needed to in order to avoid being primaried by a dumb/fake empty suite like Perry, Bachmann and Santorum. That's one reason why I used to like the guy but my opinion of him quickly soured during Republican primary. People in Massachusetts don't elect fake/dumb empty suits as governor, do they?

    And yeah, those equity firms hire the brightest minds America has to offer in math, physics, and finance to do the dirty work. Guess who becomes CEO and managing partner of those firms? The people who did the best dirty work early on in their career. Mitt Romney was no exception, it's not like he started off as the CEO. He got an MBA from Harvard, went into consulting, was a VP at Bain and Company by age 31, and was the co-founder of Bain Capital because of how high his reputation was among investors and Bain clients. Being dismissive of how much intelligence is required to have the career he had in finance comes off as blind hatred. I've already said his ethics are horrible judging by the companies he destroyed with LBOs, but that's unrelated to his intelligence.

    I know several people who started a private equity fund that's raised close to a billion from investors (lucky connection I made from an internship) and don't specialize in LBOs but rather rebuilding already distressed companies facing bankruptcy and liquidation. They're huge assholes and they each have some kind of inferiority complex, but they're off-the-charts intelligent.

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