If, through some means, we could prove that one stance is completely right, then we'd have a winner.
Besides, I was kidding; the Worst Take thread is amount people admitting they were wrong, not about people calling each other out. You should try to post your worst prediction in there.
I'm not talking about lines that have to play their backups. Any starting five line in the NFL can produce 1000 yard rushers if they have a quality back. The NFL knows the importance of running the ball, they have the talent there. It's do they have the back to make it work.
You put Peterson behind any line in the NFL and he's still Adrian Peterson.
The proof is 1000 yard backs regardless of who they play for. Tons of backs have had great seasons on different teams. Marcus Allen goes to the Chiefs and does what? Marshall Faulk as a Colt then a Ram. We see this all the time.
Thank distinction doesn't make sense. Any line that starts is a starting NFL line. If you mean that any good line can get good production out of a good back, then yeah, I think everyone agrees. But the fact that retirements and injuries damage a line to the extent at a pro-bowler and potential Hall-of-Famer looks terrible because the defense can consistently catch him behind the line is not something that can be ignored. Peterson can get 1000 yards behind five undrafted free agents. But he's pretty much the only one who can.
Well I am talking about starting NFL lines not a line with backups.
Eric erson had all those great Ram years, then off to Indy, there he had a 1600 yard season. Ernest Jackson, Mike Garrett a couple more who had 1000 yard seasons for more than one team. And there are others.
Disagree about your comment about AP. Marshawn Lynch, a couple 1000 seasons as a Bill, a couple 1000 seasons as a Seahawk. What team would have held him down because of the line play?
That just doesn't work. You ARE saying a line has to be good enough. Tennessee's starting line wasn't good enough; that's why they had to change it. Same with Baltimore's. It wasn't because backups were in.
I'm saying all NFL lines if healthy are good enought. It will come down to the running backs. A great back will have great seasons, an average back average seasons. No great back is having average seasons because of his line. No average back is making the pro bowl because of his line.
Chris Johnson has averaged...4.3, 4.0, 4.5...the last three seasons. To think he's going to have another monster year like his 2000 isn't realistic. And he had over 1000 yards every season, they have line problems? Where?
Priest Holmes, Jamal Lewis, Ray Rice all 1000 yarders for Baltimore, what line problems?
Jacksonville the best example, take away their gret back, now what?
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Holy you're re ed, and a got too....
Need to make it a "take a shot every time a list or YouTube comes forth" game
How about some facts then amigo? What NFL line couldn't have a 1000 yard rusher if their life depended on it? Put up or shut up.
Holy you're re ed, and a got too....
Notice how nobody ever comes up with that line that can't produce a 1000 yard back? Why is that?
Put any of the quality backs in the league on any team.....1000 yards.....guranteed.
So you can't do lists and know of no videos to stress a point, that must suck.
We know what you're saying.
What part of "that's the stupidest ever" aren't you understanding?
We've talked about this before. You can't prove contingencies. They aren't facts. You can't prove that a line can't produce a 1000-yard rusher, and you sure can't put the fear of death in them to prove that they couldn't if their lives depended on it.
What we can show is that great backs can fail to produce 1000-yard seasons due to poor line play. But you dismiss that evidence and claim that you didn't mean what you said.
Probably because 1000 yards rushing really isn't that big a deal.
Thanks, i guess, for verifying you also suck at math.
Where's that line that sucks at run blocking? How come you keep ignoring that? And yes a 1000 yards for "a" back is still a big deal. That means he was there all season and did his job.
Ok then what great back failed to gain a 1000 yards due to line play? Who was that?
I see that Johnson barely managed to get it done in 2010, so there goes that example. The ans' line problems did cause him to drop tremendously, though.
Willis McGahee was (and still is) a player who depends on having a good line. He's been a pro bowler in a good system, but he's also failed to rush for 1000 yards when his line's not working for him. So either that's an example of a good back who failed to get 1000 yards, or an average back whose line carried him to be a probowler
Jamal Lewis also missed 1000 yards (albiet in only 15 games) in 2005 due to the Ravens losing their center and guard in free agency. That was the only time in his Ravens career that he didn't rush for at least 1100 yards.
Those are examples from the Ravens. I'm sure there are others. As has been said already, 1000 yards over 16 games isn't that hard to get. We've seen good lines churn out much better seasons for average backs, like everyone who ran behind a zone-blocking scheme for example.
Being there all season and doing your job is actually not a big deal.
Neither is 63 rushing yards a game.
Neither is your crusty track and field almanac.
Neither is your taste in music.
Neither is your view on Islam.
Neither is your prediction percentage.
Neither is your age, height and fatness.
Let's break that down slick.
Running backs take a pounding, yes it is a big deal if a guy can stay healthy.
Yes 60 yards a game is a big deal, over a 16 game schedule.
Obviously you don't know what an almanac is.
You mean that music that influensed everything we hear today?
Don't get out much do you? MY??...views on Islam???
64%
Young and dumb is a good thing? Try 6-2 278 pounds of twisted railroad steel.
Now back to that offensive line that sucks as far as run blocking goes, well?
You put a great back on any NFL team and he's getting his yards. Anyone not aware of that is blind.
I can't take this....DUH!!!!!!!!!....here.
See ya~~~~~~~~
Avante knows more about football than probably anyone here. He's watched like thousands of hours if games, studied all kinds of statistics, and read countless books.
And then he uses all that knowledge to form some of the most re ed opinions imaginable
It's almost like if a historian spent his entire life studying the ancient Greeks and then took a lot of the stories like the Iliad and the odyssey seriously and thought that there was like Gods throwing down thunderbolts, and dragons and goblins and ..
You mean like...
Russell Wilson will out play all other rookie QB? He went how far in the playoffs?
The Niners are the best team in the NFC?
This is no different, there isn't a line in the NFL that can't run the ball if they have a quality back. Prove that statement wrong.
Dallas Cowboys.
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