NBA: Westboro Baptist Church planning on protesting game 5 in OKC

[Monster1776]

Simple philosophic logic discounts the Christian religion

In what way? Speaking something doesn't give it grounds to be true.

[xellos88330]

I feel like religion still fits but that's just a bit of philosophical word play.

That is exactly what I mean. Written words are garbage. They can mean so many different things and really all it boils down to is the philosophy of the reader. My viewpoint is it makes people look like bags when they take it to the extreme. Meanwhile, I look like a bag to them. There will never be any similar ground because then what is the point of having a philosophy to begin with? Would it even exist if everyone thought the same thing, or followed the same exact path? IMO part of human discovery and enlightenment isn't through books or history, but imagination and the future.

[Monster1776]

I also find it hilarious that someone using a few scientists who changed numbers around to get funding as proof that global climate change (a theory believed by thousands of scientists) is a hoax is accusing someone else of nitpicking.

When exactly did I claim that Climate Change is a hoax?

[Monster1776]

That is exactly what I mean. Written words are garbage. They can mean so many different things and really all it boils down to is the philosophy of the reader. My viewpoint is it makes people look like bags when they take it to the extreme. Meanwhile, I look like a bag to them. There will never be any similar ground because then what is the point of having a philosophy to begin with? Would it even exist if everyone thought the same thing, or followed the same exact path? IMO part of human discovery and enlightenment isn't through books or history, but imagination and the future.

Completely agree.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

When exactly did I claim that Climate Change is a hoax?

You gave that impression by linking a bull site centered around the belief it's a hoax.

What are your views on climate change?

[Blake]

I am not a Bible scholar by any stretch of imagination, but if you read the entire Leviticus, it is clear that this passage speaks directly to the practice of local Pagan rituals, and not of the act itself. It also talks extensively about other forms of acts that are "deserving" of death. The death is not for the actions itself, but a direct reflection to the holiness of God. The punishment is a direct reflection of the seriousness of the crimes of turning your back to God.

It's pretty clear the death is for the actions themselves.

Just like cutting off a woman's hand for striking a man in the semen maker in defense of her husband is clear

[Monster1776]

You gave that impression by linking a bull site centered around the belief it's a hoax.

What are your views on climate change?

As I said it was a quick google.

My view is that Humanity is quite obviously a major factor in the change of global environment and in extension the global climate, but that there is not enough time or scientific understanding to truly understand our actual impact on the world. That being said we are definitely having a negative impact on the world, it's just a question of how fast acting and bad that impact is.

[Blake]

In what way? Speaking something doesn't give it grounds to be true.

where is that lol jpg of God creates us, sends himself to save us, etc...

[Monster1776]

It's pretty clear the death is for the actions themselves.

Just like cutting off a woman's hand for striking a man in the semen maker in defense of her husband is clear

Ancient laws have both practical and philosophical implications. It's difficult to translate laws written in another language a couple thousand years ago effectively. That being said the matter is moot because Christians believe the teachings of Jesus Christ which he himself taught lessons that went against this type of rationale of thought.

[Monster1776]

where is that lol jpg of God creates us, sends himself to save us, etc...

I find it reasonable that we as a species with our spirituality and intelligence originated from an intelligent designer who would send a messenger to lead us on a path of love and compassion away from our self-destructive tendencies.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As I said it was a quick google.

My view is that Humanity is quite obviously a major factor in the change of global environment and in extension the global climate, but that there is not enough time or scientific understanding to truly understand our actual impact on the world. That being said we are definitely having a negative impact on the world, it's just a question of how fast acting and bad that impact is.

I'd say given how many species on this planet have gone instinct or have been put on the verge of extinction in the last 100 years, I think there's plenty of scientific evidence to say for certain that humans are having a cancerous effect on the planet and in the last century it became a much faster acting cancer.

I don't blame religion for that in its entirety since plenty of secular people have been unconcerned with how much we're destroying this planet, but it's safe to say climate change has already had major negative effects on this planet, like 30% of the world's bee population dying off 2 years ago.

[Monster1776]

I'd say given how many species on this planet have gone instinct or have been put on the verge of extinction in the last 100 years, I think there's plenty of scientific evidence to say for certain that humans are having a cancerous effect on the planet and in the last century it became a much faster acting cancer.

I don't blame religion for that in its entirety since plenty of secular people have been unconcerned with how much we're destroying this planet, but it's safe to say climate change has already had major negative effects on this planet, like 30% of the world's bee population dying off 2 years ago.

Thousands of species have gone extinct before the tampering of humans; although granted we do rather excel at stoking the fires of species destruction. It's a question of whether or not we can even peacefully co-exist with this planet's species and if our true destiny lies in depleting all of this world's resources and moving onto the next.

[Chinook]

That's the biggest misconception about global warming. Nature will be fine if this keeps going. We won't be, though. That's why we should care.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Thousands of species have gone extinct before the tampering of humans; although granted we do rather excel at stoking the fires of species destruction. It's a question of whether or not we can even peacefully co-exist with this planets species and if our true destiny lies in depleting all of this world's resources and moving onto the next.

The technology is there to co-exist with the other species on this planet, for thousands of years it wasn't a problem. Polar bears, whales, seals, etc. didn't start dying off en mass until we started whaling and destroying polar habitats.

I'm also curious what evidence you have that it's our destiny to use up this planet and then move onto a livable planet in spite of the fact we haven't found one yet. We've had the technology for years to live on this planet without destroying it, while we don't have anywhere near the technology to somehow transport 6 billion people to a new planet, yet there's somehow a question between the two.

[Monster1776]

That's the biggest misconception about global warming. Nature will be fine if this keeps going. We won't be, though. That's why we should care.

As I said it's rather self evident we're having a negative effect on the environment. It's just a question of how quick and negative that effect is and to what point will it have an adverse effect on humanity.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

As I said it's rather self evident we're having a negative effect on the environment. It's just a question of how quick and negative that effect is and to what point will it have an adverse effect on humanity.

It already has had a negative effect on humanity. You think with all the fish humans eat using oceans as a carbon dumpster hasn't hurt our health?

[Monster1776]

It already has had a negative effect on humanity. You think with all the fish humans eat using oceans as a carbon dumpster hasn't hurt our health?

Let me rephrase, have a negative enough effect on humanity that the general public and government starts to care.

[Chinook]

As I said it's rather self evident we're having a negative effect on the environment. It's just a question of how quick and negative that effect is and to what point will it have an adverse effect on humanity.

I saw what you said. That's what made me look for the quote. I think that's how we need to frame this issue. It's not about the animals; it's about the fact that you personally may die if we keep doing this. Ask an ecologist about how devastating global warming is on species in the grand scheme, and they'll say that it's hardly made a dent. Extinctions are just part of the game; every species drives another to extinction. We need to stop pretending we're above the fray.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Let me rephrase, have a negative enough effect on humanity that the general public and government starts to care.

Given how little the general public and government care with what's already happened, chances are it'll be too late by the time they do care.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I saw what you said. That's what made me look for the quote. I think that's how we need to frame this issue. It's not about the animals; it's about the fact that you personally may die if we keep doing this. Ask an ecologist about how devastating global warming is on species in the grand scheme, and they'll say that it's hardly made a dent. Extinctions are just part of the game; every species drives another to extinction. We need to stop pretending we're above the fray.

I'm curious what ecologists you're talking to who think climate change has hardly made a dent in the polar bear population.

[Monster1776]

Given how little the general public and government care with what's already happened, chances are it'll be too late by the time they do care.

Probably. Makes our infatuation with end of the world movies lately even more ironic.

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

Probably. Makes our infatuation with end of the world movies lately even more ironic.

What I find ironic is our infatuation with movies about a species coming here to kill off humans and use the earth's resources when the opposite has an infinitely more likely chance of happening.

[Blake]

I find it reasonable that we as a species with our spirituality and intelligence originated from an intelligent designer who would send a messenger to lead us on a path of love and compassion away from our self-destructive tendencies.

the message is "believe or burn"

Good news for child molesters, tbh.

[Monster1776]

What I find ironic is our infatuation with movies about a species coming here to kill off humans and use the earth's resources when the opposite has an infinitely more likely chance of happening.

Perhaps it's liberal movie directors trying to make a subtle point?

[Monster1776]

the message is "believe or burn"

Good news for child molesters, tbh.

Again saying something doesn't make it true.