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    Nice attempt to shift the burden of proof, but when you have to resort to asking your opponents to prove the negative, you've lost the argument....
    I'm not resorting to anything nor am I arguing. Its called 'faith' for a reason. There is no proof, you just believe. If you don't believe that's fine, honestly nobody really cares.

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    Nice attempt to shift the burden of proof, but when you have to resort to asking your opponents to prove the negative, you've lost the argument....
    I am having trouble why one side asking for proof of existence, and the other asking for proof of non-existence means that the one asking for the proof of existence has won the argument.

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    What is wrong with that? sexuality has not been accepted until recent times, and no, Christians and most religious organizations still do not condone sexuality.

    I am not exactly sure what this is about, because breaking it down logically, if a Christian was the read that phrase, it wouldn't offend, because most Christians do no agree with sexuality, if a non-believer read that phrase, it's not a big deal because s/he doesn't believe in the Bible anyways.
    Why do you agree with me that the Bible says it's an abomination, but you want to disregard the part that says "they shall surely be put to death".

    You're picking and choosing what's important and what isn't.

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    I'm not resorting to anything nor am I arguing. Its called 'faith' for a reason. There is no proof, you just believe. If you don't believe that's fine, honestly nobody really cares.
    Except God, God cares.

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    I am having trouble why one side asking for proof of existence, and the other asking for proof of non-existence means that the one asking for the proof of existence has won the argument.
    Probably based on the 'innocent until proven guilty' argument. God doesn't exist until it is proven that he does.

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    I am having trouble why one side asking for proof of existence, and the other asking for proof of non-existence means that the one asking for the proof of existence has won the argument.
    spaghetti monster1776

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    Why do you agree with me that the Bible says it's an abomination, but you want to disregard the part that says "they shall surely be put to death".

    You're picking and choosing what's important and what isn't.
    Aren't we all being put to death? One day at a time

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    Except God, God cares.
    Absolutely, agreed. I was strictly referring to this message board.

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    Except God, God cares.
    Honestly, I'm a little relieved Clipper Nation is not a believer. He'd come in here every other day flip-flopping, changing his mind on whether he believes or not. Similar to what he does when the Clippers win or lose.

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    Why do you agree with me that the Bible says it's an abomination, but you want to disregard the part that says "they shall surely be put to death".

    You're picking and choosing what's important and what isn't.
    No I didn't. The abomination still relates to overall issue with pagan rituals, but my particular problem is that you are now saying that the Bible saying a particular act is an abomination is not acceptable. Why?

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    Honestly, I'm a little relieved Clipper Nation is not a believer. He'd come in here every other day flip-flopping, changing his mind on whether he believes or not. Similar to what he does when the Clippers win or lose.

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    Changing topics, Quick better get his head out of his ass if the Kings are going to win this series. He's playing better as of late but man, you can't make mistakes like that. Not in the playoffs. My prediction is Kings take the next 4 games and backdoor sweep.

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    This kind of reminds me of what I'm going through with my car dealership. The A/C in my car is losing refrigerant and the dealership cannot figure out why. Their exact words "We cannot prove that its a warranty issue therefore you are liable for the charges". That's funny, you cannot prove that its not a warranty issue either. Why am I getting the shaft?

    Back to the topic. Prove to me that he doesn't exist and I will become an atheist just like yourself.
    First of all, reread the first sentence of my post again. Second, I don't have the burden of proof. Finally, the reason that you are a believer isn't because God's existence hasn't been disproven. If that was the case, you'd also believe in Zeus, Poseidon, Ares, etc. So, don't pretend that that's what keeps you a believer.

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    Not sure how it was lazy. Funny thing is, you pull up that logical and objective card, and yet you are one of the least logical and objective person in this thread. Pretty much a religious fanatic version of an atheist. In other words, you are the person you claim to hate.
    Wrong. And you still keep dodging my questions about context like the coward you are.

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    I am having trouble why one side asking for proof of existence, and the other asking for proof of non-existence means that the one asking for the proof of existence has won the argument.
    Of course, you do.

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    Changing topics, Quick better get his head out of his ass if the Kings are going to win this series. He's playing better as of late but man, you can't make mistakes like that. Not in the playoffs. My prediction is Kings take the next 4 games and backdoor sweep.
    Still have confidence in the Kings to get it done, tbh.... Blues are a solid team though, gotta give props...

    Too bad the Isles couldn't at least keep it close with the Penguins, tbh.... that series is shaping up to be a total fest...

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    Still have confidence in the Kings to get it done, tbh.... Blues are a solid team though, gotta give props...

    Too bad the Isles couldn't at least keep it close with the Penguins, tbh.... that series is shaping up to be a total fest...
    Blues are very evenly matched with the Kings. Both dominant defensive teams. The Isles should just wave the white flag and save themselves some embarrassment.

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    Except God, God cares.
    If God cared, there would be a significantly larger amount of Christians.

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    First of all, reread the first sentence of my post again. Second, I don't have the burden of proof. Finally, the reason that you are a believer isn't because God's existence hasn't been disproven. If that was the case, you'd also believe in Zeus, Poseidon, Ares, etc. So, don't pretend that that's what keeps you a believer.
    Zeus, Poseidon etc. have not been disproven as gods. The Christian faith regards them as false gods but they have not been disproven. Once again, how do you disprove something that is based entirely on faith? I choose to believe in the biblical God. As far as who has the burden of proof, I could care less. I'm not trying to persuade you to believe. Its you who are in this board trying your best to push your Atheist agenda. You are the Westboro Baptist Church of this board.

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    Aren't we all being put to death? One day at a time
    I'd say it means that they should be immediately executed, but for the sake of argument, why would God even bother telling gays they will die some day.......like everyone else!

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    No I didn't. The abomination still relates to overall issue with pagan rituals, but my particular problem is that you are now saying that the Bible saying a particular act is an abomination is not acceptable. Why?
    the Bible says a particular act is an abomination. In this case it's man laying with man. God wants the gays dead immediately. Sodom and Gomorrah make this crystal clear.

    Why is this so hard for you to grasp?

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    I'm glad to know somebody did something. Those people are so hateful the are the an hesis of Christianity.
    With just a moderate knowledge of history, this proves out as an extraordinarily untrue statement. From right out of the gate, starting in the 3rd century AD as Christianity gained political power in the vacuum left by the fall of the Roman empire, the fanaticism produced by the certainty they were right by divine knowledge while everyone else was wrong, and wrong in the most significant way possible, where the fate of the soul and existence were concerned, justified the Christians to act in unimaginably cruel ways, turturing and murdering countless thousands of people in the subsequent centuries. To run down some specifics, Christian "values" justified the enslavement and massacre of the brown people in the New World, for instance in the rubber plantations in South America. It was used to justify the massacre of Native Americans in North America. It was used to justify a century of enslavement of Africans.

    In fact and reality, the only reason someone like yourself is able to blithely talk about "hatefulness" as being the "an hesis of Christianity" is because of the centuries of work that non-theologically-minded people have devoted to civilizing the Christians, by convincing them of the necessity of doubt and humility, and most of all of tolerance. For the vast majority of it's history, Christianity had nothing to do with those concepts, and in fact and reality was no different that the Muslim fanatics of our present day.

    I so rarely bother letting myself get pulled into this type of "discussion" on an internet message board, because people so often lack a fundamental knowledge of actual events, but I guess sharing is caring and what not...

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    Zeus, Poseidon etc. have not been disproven as gods. The Christian faith regards them as false gods but they have not been disproven. Once again, how do you disprove something that is based entirely on faith? I choose to believe in the biblical God. As far as who has the burden of proof, I could care less. I'm not trying to persuade you to believe. Its you who are in this board trying your best to push your Atheist agenda. You are the Westboro Baptist Church of this board.
    let me know when the Westboro Atheist Church shows up to hate on gays. K thanks.

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    Except God, God cares.
    So does the Spaghetti Monster1776

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    Nice attempt to shift the burden of proof, but when you have to resort to asking your opponents to prove the negative, you've lost the argument....
    Clipper Nation with the solid knowledge of Logic?

    Did not see that coming.

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