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[I. Hustle]

I shouldn't have to be an expert. All powerful, all caring, unchanging God should be able to make these rules timeless and easy to understand.

Common sense says mankind made the Bible up.

My argument was never about the existence of God but your lack of knowledge. I just think people like you shouldn't talk so passionately about something you know nothing about. Having said that, I lump you and most "Christians" in the same group.

[Woo Bum-kon]

My argument was never about the existence of God but your lack of knowledge. I just think people like you shouldn't talk so passionately about something you know nothing about. Having said that, I lump you and most "Christians" in the same group.

Really? Does Blake believe in a supernatural being for no reason? No. That alone makes him different than a Christian.

[Blake]

My argument was never about the existence of God but your lack of knowledge. I just think people like you shouldn't talk so passionately about something you know nothing about. Having said that, I lump you and most "Christians" in the same group.

Keep assuming you know about me.

lol lumping

[I. Hustle]

Really? Does Blake believe in a supernatural being for no reason? No. That alone makes him different than a Christian.

I don't know who you are but you must not know how to read either. I am not talking about whether he believes or not. I am talking about him being a moron for talking about something when he knows nothing about it.

Keep assuming you know about me.

lol lumping

There are no assumptions. You have contributed numerous posts to these religion threads. All I have to do is read your posts to know that you have no idea what you are talking about. You take things that you have heard others say or that you have read on the internets and that's it.
If it means that much to you that people who believe in religions are wrong then maybe you should take a class or two and learn about the history of whatever you are arguing against. Not everyone that believes in Christianity or Buddhism or whatever just blindly does what they are told. Of course there are tons that do but, from your example, there are atheists who just blindly listen to what others have said and follow that as well.
So, like I said, if it means that much to you then maybe you should crack open a book or s out some money to take some classes. That way next time you try to use a scripture or two you can have some back up. Otherwise, maybe you should just stay out of the religion threads because you might just bump into someone who knows what they are talking about.

[Woo Bum-kon]

I don't know who you are but you must not know how to read either. I am not talking about whether he believes or not. I am talking about him being a moron for talking about something when he knows nothing about it.



There are no assumptions. You have contributed numerous posts to these religion threads. All I have to do is read your posts to know that you have no idea what you are talking about. You take things that you have heard others say or that you have read on the internets and that's it.
If it means that much to you that people who believe in religions are wrong then maybe you should take a class or two and learn about the history of whatever you are arguing against. Not everyone that believes in Christianity or Buddhism or whatever just blindly does what they are told. Of course there are tons that do but, from your example, there are atheists who just blindly listen to what others have said and follow that as well.
So, like I said, if it means that much to you then maybe you should crack open a book or s out some money to take some classes. That way next time you try to use a scripture or two you can have some back up. Otherwise, maybe you should just stay out of the religion threads because you might just bump into someone who knows what they are talking about.

Your gripe is bull . Just another moron crying about context.

Again, there is no context in which killing an unruly child is okay. Period. I don't have to be a Biblical scholar to come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible is an asshole. Nobody does. Based on the premise that God is a perfect being, his laws should therefore be perfect. If the laws are perfect, they don't need to be changed. Therefore, God still wants people to kill sexuals and non-believers.

What objection do you have to that line of reasoning? All my sources are in the Bible. Christians try their best to spin what is in their holy book with cries about "Context!" There is no context in which killing a child who curses their parents is okay. That's all there is to it.

[ambchang]

Actually if God cared, he would have skipped the earth part and had us all in Heaven from day 1.

the best part is that loving caring God also created an eternal fiery torture chamber.

If that isn't caring, I don't know what is!

So you are saying that the way works should be exactly the same as how you think it should? OK.

There was also the garden of Eden, which was created exactly for that purpose, but then people sinned, and had to face the consequences.

As for the part, it's the nature of sin. If you stick hand on the power lines, you will be electrocuted, but the electricity isn't mean, the people who created the electrical grid isn't mean. You have been given enough warnings for it, and you chose to ignore it, thus you reap the consequences. Pretty logical to me.

Did I miss the part where you explained why God condones slavery?

Of course you did. I wrote that in a few quotes dispelling the myth. Just choose to ignore it.

[ambchang]

I am talking about the context of the teachings on rape and murder in the Bible, not just slavery.

I have already explained the slavery issue, and the rape and murder parts are similar. The Bible is a pretty thick book, and you can go and pick one of two verses out and continue to play this game, but it's repe ive and a useless exercise, because at the end of it, you will not listen as you have already stated earlier, so what's the point?

A highly logical individual like yourself should understand that there is no point for us to continue this conversation, especially when there are reams of information on the web that answers directly for a hardworking, truth-seeking individual like yourself.

And your excuse on the slavery issue is pathetic.

They should not be punished = They should not be punished.

And the fact that God would allow prisoners of war to be enslaved is sickening in itself.

Punished referred directly to earlier verses and chapters about the punishment for murder. You don't want to read it, fine.

Now, coward, please give me the proper context in which sexuals should be put to death. And the proper context in which an unruly should be put to death. Stop dodging my requests.

I have already stated that the death was not for the sexual acts itself, but for the acts of following pagan rituals, of which sexual acts was one of them. The Bible also forbids people from getting tattoos and shaving their heads because those are pagan rituals. That's why I said go read the book, it's pretty clear when you read the entire context.

I'll call a coward like you a coward when you keep acting cowardly.

Vs. a brave and person like you who come to basketball forums to discuss religion?

I mean, I can already see you going to accomplished theists and challenging them on their believes, instead of going to a basketball forum to talk about religion like a real logical person.

Answer me this, why would a logical person go to a basketball forum to talk religion? Going by your own standards, if you can't answer it, you are a coward.



No, coward. The default position is non-belief. Something should be beloved only when it has met it's burden of proof. Your God has not met the burden of proof. Therefore, your God should not be believed in by any reasonable person.



God wants us to believe in him and follow his teachings.
God has infinite power.
God should therefore use his infinite power to convince us (not force us) that he exists.

He hasn't done that, so he doesn't care. , God can't even get his word out effectively, for a supreme being. There is no logical reason why God hasn't convinced us that he exists, if he wanted us to believe. He could no doubt make a far more compelling argument for his existence than you ever could, but he doesn't.

It doesn't make sense.[/QUOTE]

[Woo Bum-kon]

So you are saying that the way works should be exactly the same as how you think it should? OK.

No, things should be logical. God isn't logical.

There was also the garden of Eden, which was created exactly for that purpose, but then people sinned, and had to face the consequences.

Oh, you mean when EVERYBODY suffered when God put a temptation in the Garden of Eden for no conceivable reason? Seems pretty illogical to me, especially considering the fact that God is supposed to be all loving. Eternal damnation directly contradicts that claim.

As for the part, it's the nature of sin. If you stick hand on the power lines, you will be electrocuted, but the electricity isn't mean, the people who created the electrical grid isn't mean. You have been given enough warnings for it, and you chose to ignore it, thus you reap the consequences. Pretty logical to me.

lol all loving
lol claiming anything that God does is logical

Of course you did. I wrote that in a few quotes dispelling the myth. Just choose to ignore it.

You didn't dispel , asshole. You claimed that slavery then was different from modern perceptions of what slavery is, and you claimed (and was proven wrong, by the way) that God prohibited the beating of slaves. Taking prisoners of war and forcing them to work for somebody is SLAVERY. That wouldn't fly today, so your rationalization that it wasn't that bad is ridiculous. It's still BAD, and the fact that God not only doesn't speak out against it, but endorses that, is proof that God is a piece of .

[Woo Bum-kon]

I have already explained the slavery issue, and the rape and murder parts are similar. The Bible is a pretty thick book, and you can go and pick one of two verses out and continue to play this game, but it's repe ive and a useless exercise, because at the end of it, you will not listen as you have already stated earlier, so what's the point?

Still dodging the question like the coward you are.

A highly logical individual like yourself should understand that there is no point for us to continue this conversation, especially when there are reams of information on the web that answers directly for a hardworking, truth-seeking individual like yourself.

If there are reams of information, why don't you just answer my question, coward?

Punished referred directly to earlier verses and chapters about the punishment for murder. You don't want to read it, fine.

Punished means punished, and your claim that the Bible prohibits the beating of slaves remains completely unsupported.

I have already stated that the death was not for the sexual acts itself, but for the acts of following pagan rituals, of which sexual acts was one of them. The Bible also forbids people from getting tattoos and shaving their heads because those are pagan rituals. That's why I said go read the book, it's pretty clear when you read the entire context.

So? It's amazing to me that you are trying to rationalize this .

"See! God only meant that people should be put to death while practicing sexuality during pagan rituals."

That's still ed up and inexcusable, so your lame excuses don't mean .

Vs. a brave and person like you who come to basketball forums to discuss religion?

So?

I mean, I can already see you going to accomplished theists and challenging them on their believes, instead of going to a basketball forum to talk about religion like a real logical person.

Again, so?

Answer me this, why would a logical person go to a basketball forum to talk religion? Going by your own standards, if you can't answer it, you are a coward.

Because they want to, cowardly idiot. A logical person doesn't have to discuss something only on a forum for that particular subject, so your point is moot.

And good job failing to quote the rest of my post properly, idiot.

worshipping somebody who allows people to be enslaved
worshipping somebody who condones killing people for sexual acts
worshipping somebody who believes that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists

[I. Hustle]

Your gripe is bull . Just another moron crying about context.

Again, there is no context in which killing an unruly child is okay. Period. I don't have to be a Biblical scholar to come to the conclusion that the God of the Bible is an asshole. Nobody does. Based on the premise that God is a perfect being, his laws should therefore be perfect. If the laws are perfect, they don't need to be changed. Therefore, God still wants people to kill sexuals and non-believers.

What objection do you have to that line of reasoning? All my sources are in the Bible. Christians try their best to spin what is in their holy book with cries about "Context!" There is no context in which killing a child who curses their parents is okay. That's all there is to it.

LOL
Nice try Bubba. We are using Christianity because that is the argument here. You assume I am Christian because I am arguing with Blake.
We could go all day back and forth where you grab scriptures and I tell you how you are wrong because all you do is read a version of something without taking anything into "context" and blah blah blah.
Bottom line is, I am not in any way trying to sway your opinion or your beliefs. You have the freedom to believe whatever it is you want and that's cool. The thing I don't get is why idiots like you and Blake and even those force their beliefs down your throat "Christians" can't just let people be who they are and believe what they want.
I have friends who are atheist and friends that are Pastors. I even work with both and they get along. I work directly with both and I have never seen an argument between the two and we even go to lunch together without any of these discussions coming up.
The difference between them and the groups I am talking about is that they are comfortable with their beliefs and ideas and don't feel the need to try to call out others to make themselves feel smart.
If you don't believe in the bible then that is ok. As long as laws don't pass that allow people to kill gays or unruly children or whatever other passages you choose to pick out then I don't see the problem. Sure you can use the whole gay marriage thing and that I can somewhat understand but the killing unruly kids?

[Woo Bum-kon]

The thing I don't get is why idiots like you and Blake and even those force their beliefs down your throat "Christians" can't just let people be who they are and believe what they want.

What they believe is terrible, illogical bull . And Christians try to force their bull beliefs down people's throats, so it's not like they are completely harmless.

I have friends who are atheist and friends that are Pastors. I even work with both and they get along. I work directly with both and I have never seen an argument between the two and we even go to lunch together without any of these discussions coming up.

Who cares?

The difference between them and the groups I am talking about is that they are comfortable with their beliefs and ideas and don't feel the need to try to call out others to make themselves feel smart.
If you don't believe in the bible then that is ok. As long as laws don't pass that allow people to kill gays or unruly children or whatever other passages you choose to pick out then I don't see the problem. Sure you can use the whole gay marriage thing and that I can somewhat understand but the killing unruly kids?

This doesn't even make sense.

I take exception to Christians being critical of Westboro Baptist Church, because it shows a level of hypocrisy. The Bible is in complete agreement with the WBC's teachings, but do Christians realize that it is a book that is not worthy of following? No, they rationalize the bull in it. And when they rationalize their illogical belief with more illogical bull , I will call them out on it.

[I. Hustle]

What they believe is terrible, illogical bull . And Christians try to force their bull beliefs down people's throats, so it's not like they are completely harmless.

My response to you is your favorite response. Who cares? I mean so what if they believe something that you think is illogical? It's illogical to think that everyone should believe the same and think the same way. Don't tell me that all Christians force their beliefs down your throat because that's
total BS.

This doesn't even make sense.

It makes sense in that the two groups can get along. You make it seem like it HAS to be one way or the other but that's "illogical".

I take exception to Christians being critical of Westboro Baptist Church, because it shows a level of hypocrisy. The Bible is in complete agreement with the WBC's teachings, but do Christians realize that it is a book that it not worthy of following? No, they rationalize the bull in it. And when they rationalize their illogical belief with more illogical bull , I will call them out on it.

It depends on their doctrine. You aren't really calling anyone on anything. What you are doing is the same thing you are complaining about. You are trying to tell others that your way of believing is the only way. No matter how it sounds in your head you still come out sounding like a whiney brat.
Were you an only child? Because that would make A TON of sense.

[Blake]

I don't know who you are but you must not know how to read either. I am not talking about whether he believes or not. I am talking about him being a moron for talking about something when he knows nothing about it.



There are no assumptions. You have contributed numerous posts to these religion threads. All I have to do is read your posts to know that you have no idea what you are talking about. You take things that you have heard others say or that you have read on the internets and that's it.
If it means that much to you that people who believe in religions are wrong then maybe you should take a class or two and learn about the history of whatever you are arguing against. Not everyone that believes in Christianity or Buddhism or whatever just blindly does what they are told. Of course there are tons that do but, from your example, there are atheists who just blindly listen to what others have said and follow that as well.
So, like I said, if it means that much to you then maybe you should crack open a book or s out some money to take some classes. That way next time you try to use a scripture or two you can have some back up. Otherwise, maybe you should just stay out of the religion threads because you might just bump into someone who knows what they are talking about.

Who are you to tell me I don't know what I'm talking about?

Are you the someone I am bumping into that does know what he's talking about regarding the Bible?

[Woo Bum-kon]

My response to you is your favorite response. Who cares? I mean so what if they believe something that you think is illogical? It's illogical to think that everyone should believe the same and think the same way.

No, it isn't. It is not at all illogical to believe that people SHOULD think the same way. It is illogical to believe that that will ever happen, but thinking that one should believe based off logic and reasoning, is not illogical at all.

Don't tell me that all Christians force their beliefs down your throat because that's
total BS.

I'm no going to defend a stance I didn't take.

It makes sense in that the two groups can get along. You make it seem like it HAS to be one way or the other but that's "illogical".

I don't pretend that it HAS to be anyway. I realize that people will keep believing in bull for bull t reasons. There is a difference in the way things are and the ways things should be. And I am not delusional enough to believe that the ways things should be will become the ways things are.

It depends on their doctrine. You aren't really calling anyone on anything. What you are doing is the same thing you are complaining about. You are trying to tell others that your way of believing is the only way. No matter how it sounds in your head you still come out sounding like a whiney brat.
Were you an only child? Because that would make A TON of sense.

I am nowhere close to being an only child, first of all. Secondly, there is no "my interpretation" of these passages that I have pulled out. These passage aren't completely symbolic and up for interpretation. There's what they say, and there's what Christians want to believe they say. Ironically, the non-Christian is the one who is able to tell which is which.

[Blake]

LOL
Nice try Bubba. We are using Christianity because that is the argument here. You assume I am Christian because I am arguing with Blake.
We could go all day back and forth where you grab scriptures and I tell you how you are wrong because all you do is read a version of something without taking anything into "context" and blah blah blah.
Bottom line is, I am not in any way trying to sway your opinion or your beliefs. You have the freedom to believe whatever it is you want and that's cool. The thing I don't get is why idiots like you and Blake and even those force their beliefs down your throat "Christians" can't just let people be who they are and believe what they want.
I have friends who are atheist and friends that are Pastors. I even work with both and they get along. I work directly with both and I have never seen an argument between the two and we even go to lunch together without any of these discussions coming up.
The difference between them and the groups I am talking about is that they are comfortable with their beliefs and ideas and don't feel the need to try to call out others to make themselves feel smart.
If you don't believe in the bible then that is ok. As long as laws don't pass that allow people to kill gays or unruly children or whatever other passages you choose to pick out then I don't see the problem. Sure you can use the whole gay marriage thing and that I can somewhat understand but the killing unruly kids?

You're confusing me and Woo calling out logical fallacies for forcing atheist views down your throat.

If you're gagging, feel free to leave.

[ambchang]

No, things should be logical. God isn't logical.

That's a bold statement to make. What is the backup? How could you logically say that God is

Oh, you mean when EVERYBODY suffered when God put a temptation in the Garden of Eden for no conceivable reason? Seems pretty illogical to me, especially considering the fact that God is supposed to be all loving. Eternal damnation directly contradicts that claim.



lol all loving
lol claiming anything that God does is logical

Again, continue to misinterpret phrases on purpose to suit your own needs. Which is neither logical nor objective.

You didn't dispel , asshole. You claimed that slavery then was different from modern perceptions of what slavery is, and you claimed (and was proven wrong, by the way) that God prohibited the beating of slaves. Taking prisoners of war and forcing them to work for somebody is SLAVERY. That wouldn't fly today, so your rationalization that it wasn't that bad is ridiculous. It's still BAD, and the fact that God not only doesn't speak out against it, but endorses that, is proof that God is a piece of .

It is different, slaves in the 15th century could be beaten to death with no consequences to owners. And yet there were phrases and phrases in the bible talking about the rights of slaves which you just chose to ignore.

I am not sure if it's your ignorance on modern day slavery or bible that is causing your own confusion.

[Blake]

Of course you did. I wrote that in a few quotes dispelling the myth. Just choose to ignore it.

Myth?

lol just choose to ignore the condoning of slavery in the Bible. You aren't the first/last to do so.

[Blake]

That's a bold statement to make. What is the backup? How could you logically say that God is



Again, continue to misinterpret phrases on purpose to suit your own needs. Which is neither logical nor objective.



It is different, slaves in the 15th century could be beaten to death with no consequences to owners. And yet there were phrases and phrases in the bible talking about the rights of slaves which you just chose to ignore.

I am not sure if it's your ignorance on modern day slavery or bible that is causing your own confusion.

Slavery still one man owning another man.

Why does God condone one man owning another man as property?

[Woo Bum-kon]

That's a bold statement to make. What is the backup? How could you logically say that God is

His actions don't make any logical sense.

A perfect God makes human beings for no reason?
A perfect God has such low self-esteem that he asks human beings to worship him?
A perfect God tempts Adam and Eve by putting the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden, which causes a conflict that didn't need to happen in the first place?
A perfect God sacrifices himself to himself to fix a problem that he caused, and we're supposed to feel grateful?

The fact that God doesn't reveal himself to convert non-believers shows how stupid and illogical he is.

Again, continue to misinterpret phrases on purpose to suit your own needs. Which is neither logical nor objective.

I'm not misinterpreting anything. I believe that the phrases mean what they mean. I don't read a ty book to convince myself that things don't mean what they clearly mean.

It is different, slaves in the 15th century could be beaten to death with no consequences to owners. And yet there were phrases and phrases in the bible talking about the rights of slaves which you just chose to ignore.

It's slavery, asshole. Even if it is a better form of slavery, it's still SLAVERY. And your God is completely fine with SLAVERY. Your attempts to make slavery seem not as bad as it is are pathetic.

I am not sure if it's your ignorance on modern day slavery or bible that is causing your own confusion.

I am not confuse. I believe that slavey is bad. I know that God endorses slavery. Therefore, I believe God is an asshole.

[ambchang]

Still dodging the question like the coward you are.

So in the last book, you just acknowledged that I have responded to the slavery (or at least alluded to it), and I have already explained that the response to rape and murder is the same. What's the point of repeating the same argument over and over?

If there are reams of information, why don't you just answer my question, coward?

Because you can just type it on google and look for it, and I am not in the position to take somebody else's insights and treat it as my own. You see, unlikely you, I am uncomfortable with taking questions that had been around since the 15th century, answered a millionth time, cut and paste it, and treat it as my own questions to confront people.

But if you insist, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery Find me evidence of slave rights in modern day slavery that is remotely comparable to these
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible-slavery.html
Also: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...15&version=NLT

Punished means punished, and your claim that the Bible prohibits the beating of slaves remains completely unsupported.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...21&version=NLT

Start reading from 21:12

So? It's amazing to me that you are trying to rationalize this .

"See! God only meant that people should be put to death while practicing sexuality during pagan rituals."

That's still ed up and inexcusable, so your lame excuses don't mean .

Treason is a capital punishment in the States, as in many other different countries.

So?

Shows your hypocrisy. I would imagine a logical person like you would have figured this out.

Again, so?

Again, hows your hypocrisy. I would imagine a logical person like you would have figured this out.

Because they want to, cowardly idiot. A logical person doesn't have to discuss something only on a forum for that particular subject, so your point is moot.

A logical person would not go to a basketball forum to discuss religion, because a basketball forum's purpose is to discuss basketball. It is illogical to expect to get reasonable answers to religion on a basketball forum. "I want to" is not a logical answer.

And good job failing to quote the rest of my post properly, idiot.

I quoted the entire post, how was that not properly quoted? And why is that an issue with you? You are perfectly comfortable quoting, and only reading on sentence out of an entire book to draw conclusions.

worshipping somebody who allows people to be enslaved
worshipping somebody who condones killing people for sexual acts
worshipping somebody who believes that rape victims should be forced to marry their rapists

I mean, you really should learn to argue like Blake and DoK. Have a purpose and a stance, then actually reading what people respond to. While some people choose to ignore valid answers and ask additional questions (which is fine), your act of continuously asking the same questions despite having them answered is not useful, at all.

I really enjoy talking about religious topics, because, as a Christian, I like to challenge my faith. In fact, I asked the same questions that was posted here, and more. I actually asked about inconsistencies in the OT and NT, and tried to understand why that is. It was a frustrating exercise at first, and really got me to a point where I thought I thought this entire religion is hogwash (tip: just take the last 7 words I wrote prior to the opening parenthesis and proclaim victory in your argument, because I know you did that with the Bible), but I kept at it and looked for answers. I know, logically, a religion that lasted for thousands of years and studied to death by scholars MUST have some perfectly logical answers to questions that a person with no practical training in religious study can come up with. Afterall, I am sure Calvin was a million times the philosopher I could ever be.

[ambchang]

His actions don't make any logical sense.

A perfect God makes human beings for no reason?

http://www.gotquestions.org/why-did-God-create-us.html

A perfect God has such low self-esteem that he asks human beings to worship him?

The jump from low esteem to worship is a giant, illogical step.

A perfect God tempts Adam and Eve by putting the tree of knowledge in the Garden of Eden, which causes a conflict that didn't need to happen in the first place?

This is an argument of predestination vs. free will. A rule was made, and it was simple to follow. You break a rule, you suffer the consequences. Without the forbidden fruit, there is no demonstration of free will, and the assumption that Adam and Eve will not break another rule is naive and narrow-minded.

A perfect God sacrifices himself to himself to fix a problem that he caused, and we're supposed to feel grateful?

Why was Adam and Eve breaking a simple rule to introduce sin a problem caused by God? Your mom said no cookies before dinner, or else you will not have dessert for a week. The cookie in and of itself is not a temptation, and is not negative. The consequence of not having desserts for the week is implemented, and yet you still chose to have the cookie. Did you or your mom created the problem?

The fact that God doesn't reveal himself to convert non-believers shows how stupid and illogical he is.

? Whether he revealed Himself and not being recognized, or not revealed at all is up for debate. For a objective person like you, you sure run into a whole lot of assumptions and not think things through before concluding something.

I'm not misinterpreting anything. I believe that the phrases mean what they mean. I don't read a ty book to convince myself that things don't mean what they clearly mean.

So now it is you believing it, and not the book saying it, and that you acknowledged interpretation, preceding by a statement saying that you did not misinterpreting anything. You just contradicted yourself in back to back sentences.

It's slavery, asshole. Even if it is a better form of slavery, it's still SLAVERY. And your God is completely fine with SLAVERY. Your attempts to make slavery seem not as bad as it is are pathetic.

So now that I have just proven biblical slavery is not modern day slavery, something you refused to acknowledge earlier on, you are changing the goal post to semantics. Lebron James' (I do talk about basketball on a basketball forum afterall) departure from the Cavs drew comparisons to slavery, was Lebron James wronged in that situation?

I am not confuse. I believe that slavey is bad. I know that God endorses slavery. Therefore, I believe God is an asshole.

After showing that slavery is not the same as the same slavery you believed in? A tip for you, slavery is an English term. The Bible was written in Hebrew, before modern day slavery was even invented. Through the years, the meaning of slavery has evolved, and painting everything that was under the umbrella word of slavery to mean the same thing shows your ignorance of the term, the history, or a handle to languages.

[Blake]

Afterall, I am sure Calvin was a million times the philosopher I could ever be.

False. Your instant access to history, science and education from all over the world in todays time gives you a much bigger advantage over Calvin.

[Blake]

http://www.gotquestions.org/why-did-God-create-us.html



The jump from low esteem to worship is a giant, illogical step.



This is an argument of predestination vs. free will. A rule was made, and it was simple to follow. You break a rule, you suffer the consequences. Without the forbidden fruit, there is no demonstration of free will, and the assumption that Adam and Eve will not break another rule is naive and narrow-minded.



Why was Adam and Eve breaking a simple rule to introduce sin a problem caused by God? Your mom said no cookies before dinner, or else you will not have dessert for a week. The cookie in and of itself is not a temptation, and is not negative. The consequence of not having desserts for the week is implemented, and yet you still chose to have the cookie. Did you or your mom created the problem?



? Whether he revealed Himself and not being recognized, or not revealed at all is up for debate. For a objective person like you, you sure run into a whole lot of assumptions and not think things through before concluding something.



So now it is you believing it, and not the book saying it, and that you acknowledged interpretation, preceding by a statement saying that you did not misinterpreting anything. You just contradicted yourself in back to back sentences.




So now that I have just proven biblical slavery is not modern day slavery, something you refused to acknowledge earlier on, you are changing the goal post to semantics. Lebron James' (I do talk about basketball on a basketball forum afterall) departure from the Cavs drew comparisons to slavery, was Lebron James wronged in that situation?




After showing that slavery is not the same as the same slavery you believed in? A tip for you, slavery is an English term. The Bible was written in Hebrew, before modern day slavery was even invented. Through the years, the meaning of slavery has evolved, and painting everything that was under the umbrella word of slavery to mean the same thing shows your ignorance of the term, the history, or a handle to languages.

True or false: Hebrews were allowed by God to own other human beings.

[Woo Bum-kon]

So in the last book, you just acknowledged that I have responded to the slavery (or at least alluded to it), and I have already explained that the response to rape and murder is the same. What's the point of repeating the same argument over and over?

If you keep dodging my questions over and over, I will note that you keep dodging them.

Because you can just type it on google and look for it, and I am not in the position to take somebody else's insights and treat it as my own. You see, unlikely you, I am uncomfortable with taking questions that had been around since the 15th century, answered a millionth time, cut and paste it, and treat it as my own questions to confront people.

I don't want to hear some random apologist's explanation why killing unruly children is okay. I want to hear your explanation.

But if you insist, here you go: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_slavery Find me evidence of slave rights in modern day slavery that is remotely comparable to these
http://www.gotquestions.org/Bible.slavery.html
Also: http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...15&version=NLT



http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/...21&version=NLT

Start reading from 21:12

I already read all of that passage. A lesser form of slavey is still slavery, and your God condones slavery, asshole.

Treason is a capital punishment in the States, as in many other different countries.

So? Not only is paganism not treason, it isn't even comparable. Paganism doesn't even threaten the safety of Americans in the way that treason does, and I don't even condone the execution of those who commit treason.

You are rationalizing murder yet again.

Shows your hypocrisy. I would imagine a logical person like you would have figured this out.

You don't know what hypocrisy means, idiot.

Again, hows your hypocrisy. I would imagine a logical person like you would have figured this out.

No it doesn't, idiot.

A logical person would not go to a basketball forum to discuss religion, because a basketball forum's purpose is to discuss basketball. It is illogical to expect to get reasonable answers to religion on a basketball forum. "I want to" is not a logical answer.

Wrong, moron. It is not unreasonable at all to expect reasonable answers from a basketball forum. Is it more unlikely? Sure. Unreasonable? Not at all. Your line of reasoning fails completely.

I quoted the entire post, how was that not properly quoted?

Well, besides the fact that you failed to quote it properly, you did everything right.

And why is that an issue with you? You are perfectly comfortable quoting, and only reading on sentence out of an entire book to draw conclusions.

I am perfectly comfortable reading a sentence that says, "kill unruly children" and coming to the conclusion that it says, "kill unruly children." You're the one crying that sentences that clearly mean one thing actually mean another. The ultimate irony is that your bull rationalizations are still absolutely terrible.

I mean, you really should learn to argue like Blake and DoK. Have a purpose and a stance, then actually reading what people respond to. While some people choose to ignore valid answers and ask additional questions (which is fine), your act of continuously asking the same questions despite having them answered is not useful, at all.

Your answer was bull . I don't accept bull answers.

I really enjoy talking about religious topics, because, as a Christian, I like to challenge my faith. In fact, I asked the same questions that was posted here, and more. I actually asked about inconsistencies in the OT and NT, and tried to understand why that is. It was a frustrating exercise at first, and really got me to a point where I thought I thought this entire religion is hogwash (tip: just take the last 7 words I wrote prior to the opening parenthesis and proclaim victory in your argument, because I know you did that with the Bible), but I kept at it and looked for answers. I know, logically, a religion that lasted for thousands of years and studied to death by scholars MUST have some perfectly logical answers to questions that a person with no practical training in religious study can come up with. Afterall, I am sure Calvin was a million times the philosopher I could ever be.

No, this religion doesn't have any logical answers. This religion was made up thousands of years ago by sand people. It's ignorant, dumb and intolerant. Apologists like screaming about faith and context to make up for those simple facts.

And the fact that God doesn't answer these question, even though he has every reason to answer them, shows how much of an idiot he is.

[Woo Bum-kon]

http://www.gotquestions.org/why-did-God-create-us.html

A perfect being doesn't need any pleasure. He's perfect. He doesn't lack anything. Failure number one by you.

The jump from low esteem to worship is a giant, illogical step.

No, it isn't. If God constantly needs validation, he lacks self-esteem. A perfect being doesn't need worship. A perfect being doesn't give a what non-perfect beings say.

This is an argument of predestination vs. free will. A rule was made, and it was simple to follow. You break a rule, you suffer the consequences. Without the forbidden fruit, there is no demonstration of free will, and the assumption that Adam and Eve will not break another rule is naive and narrow-minded.

No, this is an argument about logic. Why would one purposefully cause conflict where there is no conflict? God didn't have to put the fruit there, but he chose to for no reason.

Why was Adam and Eve breaking a simple rule to introduce sin a problem caused by God?

Because he put the fruit there and caused the conflict in the first place?

Your mom said no cookies before dinner, or else you will not have dessert for a week. The cookie in and of itself is not a temptation, and is not negative. The consequence of not having desserts for the week is implemented, and yet you still chose to have the cookie. Did you or your mom created the problem?

No, God put the cookies there for no reason. The cookies were not to be eaten ever. The only reason they existed was as a temptation. My mom would never bake a batch of cookies just so she can tell me that I should never eat them. Your analogy falls flat completely.

? Whether he revealed Himself and not being recognized, or not revealed at all is up for debate. For a objective person like you, you sure run into a whole lot of assumptions and not think things through before concluding something.

lol. God didn't reveal himself to me. Period. It's not up for debate. You trying to rationalize his complete failure to convince me that he exists, is quite amusing, though. God has an infinite amount of power, so the fact that only a third of humanity believes in him, shows how much of a spectacular failure he is.

So now it is you believing it, and not the book saying it

No, it's the book saying it. I have passages supporting my position.

and that you acknowledged interpretation, preceding by a statement saying that you did not misinterpreting anything. You just contradicted yourself in back to back sentences.

No, I didn't.

So now that I have just proven biblical slavery is not modern day slavery

Even if that is true, it's still slavery.

something you refused to acknowledge earlier on

Link? I said that it was still slavery. Your pathetic attempts to rationalize slavery don't change the fact that it's slavery.

you are changing the goal post to semantics. Lebron James' (I do talk about basketball on a basketball forum afterall) departure from the Cavs drew comparisons to slavery, was Lebron James wronged in that situation?

comparing LeBron's situation to slavery. LeBron wasn't forced to work for anybody. LeBron could not be beaten to death without consequence so long as he didn't die right away.

After showing that slavery is not the same as the same slavery you believed in?

Still slavery, asshole, regardless of whether it is the same extent or not.

A tip for you, slavery is an English term. The Bible was written in Hebrew, before modern day slavery was even invented. Through the years, the meaning of slavery has evolved, and painting everything that was under the umbrella word of slavery to mean the same thing shows your ignorance of the term, the history, or a handle to languages.

And the Hebrew slavery is still forcing people to work for their masters. It's slavery, asshole. Stop rationalizing it.