Teachers

[clambake]

burn

[TeyshaBlue]

I already did. Sorry that you didn't understand. Is it because you are a teacher?

Ex Teacher. And no you didn't outside of tossing out "Supply and Demand", which is not exactly cutting it.

[clambake]

he called you a teacher.

you know what that means?

[TeyshaBlue]

he called you a teacher.

you know what that means?

Shup! The WTF thread says I'm engaging.

[Wild Cobra]

Ex Teacher. And no you didn't outside of tossing out "Supply and Demand", which is not exactly cutting it.

Hmmmm...

Are you saying they aren't getting qualified teachers at the rate of pay they give?

Again, of that 8.5% that leave the profession within 3 years, how much money would it take to reduce that by half?

How are you going to stop mobility, which is around half of the turnover rate?

I won't ask you about the retirees again. i will assume you agree teachers should be able to retire.

Why did you leave? why are you part of the problem?

[clambake]

are you autistic?

[TeyshaBlue]

Hmmmm...

Are you saying they aren't getting qualified teachers at the rate of pay they give?

Again, of that 8.5% that leave the profession within 3 years, how much money would it take to reduce that by half?

How are you going to stop mobility, which is around half of the turnover rate?

I won't ask you about the retirees again. i will assume you agree teachers should be able to retire.

Why did you leave? why are you part of the problem?

lol ignoring the 46% within 5 years.
Mobility is not half of the turnover rate. The 46% are those that ing left the profession. Period. Good God.
Why I left is irrelevant. But, I left because I was losing my hearing which I subsequently made worse by touring for a year with Alligator Records. lol
I was never part of the problem, idiot.

[TeyshaBlue]

That's 46% of teachers leave within the first 5 ing years of their career. Retirement really doesn't enter into it.

[Wild Cobra]

lol ignoring the 46% within 5 years.

I'm just going with the Department of Education numbers instead of some cherry picked location or blog.

[TeyshaBlue]

You ever gonna link that?
Smh

[TeyshaBlue]

Btw...for the zillionth time....make your case.

[jack sommerset]

The problem we have is George's wife hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. The good news is she loves her job. Bad news is this government job isn't giving raises mostly because of the debt.

The private schools tend to pay far less than the public schools. She might be able to find a private school that pays more and gives her the same satisfaction that her current position gives her. Might?!?!

Does she have a 2nd job? Summer job? You might be able to change these up to create more money?


George, you might want to give us more details on you alls situations. Maybe we can find a solution to this problem. We know she wants more money but wont get any more any time soon from her current job. Lets us know how much more money she wants and the forum can brain storm.

God bless

[leemajors]

The problem we have is George's wife hasn't gotten a raise in 3 years. The good news is she loves her job. Bad news is this government job isn't giving raises mostly because of the debt.

The private schools tend to pay far less than the public schools. She might be able to find a private school that pays more and gives her the same satisfaction that her current position gives her. Might?!?!

Does she have a 2nd job? Summer job? You might be able to change these up to create more money?


George, you might want to give us more details on you alls situations. Maybe we can find a solution to this problem. We know she wants more money but wont get any more any time soon from her current job. Lets us know how much more money she wants and the forum can brain storm.

God bless

[LnGrrrR]

In this thread:

WC asks for proof.

People provide proof.

WC says that's not enough proof.

People provide more proof.

WC complains about an excess of proof.

[rascal]

No. The common misconception is since there is no school in summer, teachers get 3 months off. Unless, like most teachers, you work another couple of weeks at the end of school, then take a few weeks off unless you work a second job over the summer, then a month before school starts, you're back in the classroom getting everything ready for the next year. I usually got 3 weeks if I was lucky. It was different for me because, as a band director, we always had summer band a month prior to school starting. But when I'd show up at school, there were always teachers in their rooms getting things in place for the coming year.

Teachers still work far fewer days than the general factory worker.

[TeyshaBlue]

lol "far fewer"
Got a number for that metric?
And is there a point you would like to make?

[ElNono]

Cobra opening his ignorant mouth and getting slapped into a corner, per par goods

[DUNCANownsKOBE]

I'm sorry, WC, but quality data analysis isn't found in coloring books.

[Wild Cobra]

In this thread:

WC asks for proof.

People provide proof.

WC says that's not enough proof.

People provide more proof.

WC complains about an excess of proof.

LOL...

I ask for proof right away. that's right, ask me several hours later after I close my browser and my history clears. I'm not going to look for it again.

I listed four numbers in post 129 and specified they came from the Department of Education.

Search for them yourself since nobody asked when I was debating this, and before I closed my browser.

[Wild Cobra]

In this thread:

WC asks for proof.

People provide proof.

WC says that's not enough proof.

People provide more proof.

WC complains about an excess of proof.

LnGrrR...

I have always likes you, but you are turning into a royal lib in front of my eyes. I don't make up numbers that I post, which you seem to imply. Would you at least admit that I do normally link my material? Just because I don't in active conversation all the time when mul asking, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

Now...

If I was asked at the time the conversation was active, I would have provided the link the numbers from post 129 came from.

Post #129:

Do you know what mobility is? My God head.... These people, like any other, get their first teaching job wherever they can. They they move to a better location when a slot becomes available for them. According to the US Department of Education, teachers who leave the profession during their first three years is about 8.5%. About 6.5% for teachers with 4-9 years of experience. The numbers are 13.3% and 10.2% for those moving. I would suggest your Teacher Activist link cherry picked the higher number (outlier) data.

I don't see that notable any worse than any other profession.

Now. Here is another year of the same type study:



Link attached to the graphic.

[LnGrrrR]

LnGrrR...

I have always likes you, but you are turning into a royal lib in front of my eyes. I don't make up numbers that I post, which you seem to imply. Would you at least admit that I do normally link my material? Just because I don't in active conversation all the time when mul asking, doesn't mean it wasn't there.

I'd like to note that I never said you make up numbers, at least not in that particular post.

Now...

If I was asked at the time the conversation was active, I would have provided the link the numbers from post 129 came from.

Post #129:
Now. Here is another year of the same type study:



Link attached to the graphic.

Thanks for showing your work. I'll let the others who were in on this respond. You have to admit WC, the proof you ask for is often quite specific, and dismissed if you don't readily believe the source.

[TeyshaBlue]

Only took 3 pages before you posted a ing link. Awesome.

Now I can, and have, posted link after link supporting another set of figures.

In the end, your obfuscation shuffle is irrelevant. I'll ask for the 3,000,000,000th time. Make your case for teachers being overcompensated.

[Wild Cobra]

Only took 3 pages before you posted a ing link. Awesome.

Now I can, and have, posted link after link supporting another set of figures.

In the end, your obfuscation shuffle is irrelevant. I'll ask for the 3,000,000,000th time. Make your case for teachers being overcompensated.

You haven't accepted my supply and demand argument. No need to raise compensation as long as new teachers come in at the current pay.

[George Gervin's Afro]

You haven't accepted my supply and demand argument. No need to raise compensation as long as new teachers come in at the current pay.

The govt pays them with tax money! WHERE ARE THEY GOING TO GET THE MONEY TO COMPETE?

[TeyshaBlue]

You haven't accepted my supply and demand argument. No need to raise compensation as long as new teachers come in at the current pay.

That's not an argument for overcompensation. To distill your point, you claim that teachers are overpaid (compensated). You have yet to make a single, cogent point supporting that. Nothing.