States With Most Gun Laws Have Fewest Gun Deaths

[TSA]

all y'all gun fellators, NRA, and gun industry are blatantly SOFT ON GUN CRIME and GUN CRIMINALS by enabling guns to be freely, and often illegaly, widely available.

missed this the first time......

How are gun people soft on gun crime?
How is the NRA soft on gun crime?
How is the gun industry soft on gun crime?

Exactly what do the three above have to do with gun crime enforcement?


I wish I could find some freely available guns.

[boutons_deux]

As firearm ownership rises, Florida gun murders increase

Murders by firearms have increased dramatically in the state since 2000, when there were 499 gun murders, according to data from Florida Department of Law Enforcement. Gun murders have since climbed 38 percent — with 691 murders committed with guns in 2011.


Only partial numbers are available for 2012, but from January to June, there were 479 murders in Florida — 358 of them committed with a gun. That’s an 8 percent increase in gun murders compared to the same period in 2011.

Guns are now the weapons of choice in 75 percent of all homicides in Florida. That’s up from 56 percent in 2000.

The rise in gun homicides in Florida comes at a time when the overall murder rate has declined in Florida, and violent crime has dropped statewide.

It also comes at a time when gun control is at the forefront of national debate. Proposals before Congress died last week in a tight Senate vote, but surveys show a majority of Americans favor tougher firearms regulations. Supporters say stricter background checks that were rejected by Congress could lessen the number of gun murders.

http://www.publicintegrity.org/2013/...est+Stories%29

more guns = more gun deaths, more gun injuries.

300M guns in USA = 10Ks/year of gun murders, suicides, injuries.

[TSA]

How are gun people soft on gun crime?
How is the NRA soft on gun crime?
How is the gun industry soft on gun crime?

Exactly what do the three above have to do with gun crime enforcement?

[boutons_deux]

missed this the first time......

How are gun people soft on gun crime?
How is the NRA soft on gun crime?
How is the gun industry soft on gun crime?

Exactly what do the three above have to do with gun crime enforcement?


I wish I could find some freely available guns.

because gun industry/NRA blocking b/g checks, not enforcing weak b/g checks, blocking gun registration/national database, keeping gun info off computers a ATF, and fostering bogus 2nd Amendment bull , by blocking destruction of buy-back guns,
promoting heavily at all levels that everybody should have guns everywhere all time to pump up gun industry revenues, there are 300M guns in USA and the tool of choice for crime.

But NRA/gun industry don't give a about gun crime, they are EFFECTIVELY SOFT ON GUN CRIME, and care only about $$$.

[TSA]

I wasn't aware that the gun industry and the NRA forced the police to take it easy on the gun criminals.

[boutons_deux]

I wasn't aware that the gun industry and the NRA forced the police to take it easy on the gun criminals.

nra/gun industry make it extremely easy to flood the country with guns, and they want MORE GUNS EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, and they don't care if criminals get them, because that's another reason for "home/self defenders" to buy even more guns ( gun owner has an avg of 9 guns, surely inarguable symptom of mental illness)

[TSA]

nra/gun industry make it extremely easy to flood the country with guns, and they want MORE GUNS EVERYWHERE ALL THE TIME, and they don't care if criminals get them, because that's another reason for "home/self defenders" to buy even more guns ( gun owner has an avg of 9 guns, surely inarguable symptom of mental illness)

So you agree that it is the police and courts that are soft on gun crime and not the NRA/gun industry.

[Th'Pusher]

So you agree that it is the police and courts that are soft on gun crime and not the NRA/gun industry.

How are he police and the courts soft on gun crime? Can you provide some specifics?

[TSA]

How are he police and the courts soft on gun crime? Can you provide some specifics?

Why don't you figure that out while I try and figure out how the NRA/gun industry/gun people are the ones responsible for being soft on gun crime

[Th'Pusher]

Why don't you figure that out while I try and figure out how the NRA/gun industry/gun people are the ones responsible for being soft on gun crime

So you're justing talking out of your ass again.

[TSA]

So you're justing talking out of your ass again.

So you're just being lazy again

For starters, look into how many guns are illegally known to be in the hands of felons and the mentally ill, yet nothing is being done about it by the police. Pretty soft if you ask me.

[Th'Pusher]

So you're just being lazy again

For starters, look into how many guns are illegally known to be in the hands of felons and the mentally ill, yet nothing is being done about it by the police. Pretty soft if you ask me.

Youre making the claim police and judges are soft, the onus is on you to back up your claim. WRT the issue of known guns in the hands people who should not have them, we' e already discussed this is an issue of resources. Prioritizing resources is /= to being soft on guns and gun crimes.

[boutons_deux]

So you're just being lazy again

For starters, look into how many guns are illegally known to be in the hands of felons and the mentally ill, yet nothing is being done about it by the police. Pretty soft if you ask me.

nra/gun industry opened the barn doors, and the police are supposed to go catch the horses?

[TSA]

Youre making the claim police and judges are soft, the onus is on you to back up your claim. WRT the issue of known guns in the hands people who should not have them, we' e already discussed this is an issue of resources. Prioritizing resources is /= to being soft on guns and gun crimes.

http://mobile.reuters.com/article/po...90U00F20130131

Politics
U.S. struggles over which gun crimes to prosecute
Wed, Jan 30 19:13 PM EST
By David Ingram

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - A dispute erupted at a congressional hearing on Wednesday over which existing gun-control laws were worth enforcing, even as lawmakers debated whether to pass new ones.

The flashes of anger underscored the deep divisions in America's gun culture.

"You do not support background checks for all buyers of firearms?" Democratic Senator Patrick Leahy of Vermont asked the head of the National Rifle Association, the largest U.S. gun rights lobby.

NRA Chief Executive Wayne LaPierre said he did not support checking all buyers when President Barack Obama's administration was failing to enforce existing gun laws that, for example, prohibit lying on a background-check form.

"This administration is not prosecuting the people that they catch," LaPierre fired back during a hearing of the Senate Judiciary Committee, where Leahy, the chairman, began what promises to be a long congressional fight over gun control.

Obama proposed tougher guidelines after 20-year-old gunman Adam Lanza killed his mother and then six adults and 20 students at a Newtown, Connecticut, elementary school last month before turning a gun on himself.

Obama's Justice Department has shown little appe e to prosecute what it considers low-level firearms crimes at the expense of time spent on sweeping investigations, officials with the department said.

Investigators are also working under the shadow of a botched gun probe known as "Operation Fast and Furious," an investigation into gun trafficking along the U.S.-Mexico border that developed into a political scandal in Obama's first term.

'PAPERWORK' CRIME

Thousands of potential federal gun crimes go unprosecuted each year, the result of efforts by the Justice Department and the U.S. Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives, or ATF, to determine which ones are most important, according to studies funded by the department.

The most common lead that agents pass up is a "paperwork" crime.

In those instances, someone with a criminal conviction or other disqualifying factor tries to buy a gun but does not disclose his past, either because he lied or forgot to do so. A background check finds him ineligible and bars him from getting a firearm, but he can be prosecuted for trying.

Some of those attempted buyers are otherwise law-abiding citizens who should not be a priority, said Michael Bouchard, a former ATF assistant director for field operations.

"It's simply a matter of using your resources wisely to effectively combat violent crime," he said in an interview. "To combat violent crime, they're going to go after criminals who are already in possession of guns or are using guns, rather than people who didn't get a gun."

The FBI said it conducted 16.5 million background checks for gun purchases in 2011. Of those, 78,211 ended in denials of eligibility because of a past conviction, a warrant for an arrest, drug abuse or other reason. Forty-four attempted buyers faced prosecution in 2010.

PROSECUTIONS DROP

Federal prosecutors said they brought gun charges against 11,811 people in 2011, down 10 percent from their peak in 2005 when violent crime rates were higher and President George W. Bush's administration put more of an emphasis on certain gun crimes.The National Rifle Association has repeatedly cited the drop in prosecutions as it pushes back against proposed new laws. At Wednesday's hearing, Republicans picked up on the theme.

"I hope we'll have a hearing where we'll ask administration witnesses to come before the panel and to testify why the Department of Justice and other law enforcement agencies of the federal government are not enforcing the laws that Congress has already passed," said Republican Senator John Cornyn of Texas.

Obama administration officials argue that not all gun offenses are worthy of the same attention.

Government investigators have "focused greater efforts on complex firearms investigations over the past several years in an effort to have the greatest impact on violent gun crime," said a Justice Department official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

"While this may have resulted in fewer multiple-defendant cases, it has been beneficial for our overall public safety efforts," the official said.

Obama's own set of proposals on January 16 underscored the sensitivity surrounding what gun crimes get prosecuted. Rather than ordering the 94 U.S. Attorney's Offices to devote more resources to the subject, he simply asked those offices "to consider whether supplemental efforts would be appropriate in their districts."

Obama's proposals to curb gun violence include reinstating the U.S. ban on some semi-automatic rifles, limiting the capacity of ammunition magazines, and more extensive background checks of prospective gun buyers, largely to verify whether they have a history of crime or mental illness.

[TSA]

nra/gun industry opened the barn doors, and the police are supposed to go catch the horses?

Is that not their job?

[TSA]

http://search.cga.state.ct.us/olr/dtsearch.html

Search report 2007-R-0442 to see how many gun crimes go unpunished.

[TSA]

http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf

Bureau of Justice Statistics study that most gun grabbers don't want to talk about.

[Th'Pusher]

I am no sure why TSA is spamming the thread now, but there is nothing here to back up his claim that police and courts are soft on crime.

[TSA]

Pusher, you're getting us off topic.

This is about boutons claim............."all y'all gun fellators, NRA, and gun industry are blatantly SOFT ON GUN CRIME and GUN CRIMINALS by enabling guns to be freely, and often illegaly, widely available."

If you'd like to side with him on that I'll need some proof that supports his claim.

[TSA]

http://search.cga.state.ct.us/olr/dtsearch.html

Search report 2007-R-0442 to see how many gun crimes go unpunished.

Pusher, do you not understand how to read a simple table? The data is all right there for you all neatly organized.

[TSA]

I am no sure why TSA is spamming the thread now, but there is nothing here to back up his claim that police and courts are soft on crime.

Thanks Boutons

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...54#post6629254

A Texas jury acquitted a man for the murder of a woman he hired as an escort, after his lawyers claimed he was authorized to use deadly force because she refused sex.


Ezekiel Gilbert shot Lenora Ivie Frago in the neck on Christmas Eve, after she denied his requests for sex and wouldn’t return the $150 he had paid her, according to the San Antonio Express-News. Under Texas law, an individual is authorized to use deadly force to “retrieve stolen property at night,” and Gilbert’s lawyers cited that provision as justification for Gilbert’s action, reasoning that Frago had stolen $150 from him by taking his money without delivering sex. In a police interview played for jurors, Gilbert “never mentioned anything about theft,” a detective told the San Antonio Express-News. Frago, who was 21, was critically injured and died several months later.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...o-refused-sex/

[Th'Pusher]

Thanks Boutons

http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...54#post6629254

A Texas jury acquitted a man for the murder of a woman he hired as an escort, after his lawyers claimed he was authorized to use deadly force because she refused sex.


Ezekiel Gilbert shot Lenora Ivie Frago in the neck on Christmas Eve, after she denied his requests for sex and wouldn’t return the $150 he had paid her, according to the San Antonio Express-News. Under Texas law, an individual is authorized to use deadly force to “retrieve stolen property at night,” and Gilbert’s lawyers cited that provision as justification for Gilbert’s action, reasoning that Frago had stolen $150 from him by taking his money without delivering sex. In a police interview played for jurors, Gilbert “never mentioned anything about theft,” a detective told the San Antonio Express-News. Frago, who was 21, was critically injured and died several months later.

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...o-refused-sex/

lawers working within the framework of the existing law. The jury did not consider it a gun crime.

[TSA]

lawers working within the framework of the existing law. The jury did not consider it a gun crime.

[TSA]

Pusher, you figure out that table yet? You asked for data, I gave it to you, and ran off.

[Th'Pusher]

Pusher, you figure out that table yet? You asked for data, I gave it to you, and ran off.

I understand the table and as I stated previously, prioritizing which laws you enforce is more a matter of necessity due to resource constraints than it is police being soft on crime.