States With Most Gun Laws Have Fewest Gun Deaths

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super strict is relative to wild west red-state selling to all comers

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truly strict gun laws would have allowed his family and authorities to have all his weaponry confiscated

"The suspect, 23-year-old John Zawahri, was known as an angry young man with a “fascination with guns” that worried family friends. Zawahri was born in Lebanon but has lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years. In a press conference on Sunday, police said the troubled young man"

"Zawahri had a run-in with the law in 2006, but police could not give more details as he was a juvenile at the time. A law enforcement source told CNN that Zawahri had been hospitalized for mental issues after talking about wanting to hurt someone."

"Technically, certain AR-15 rifles are prohibited in California, but critics have said the law is rendered essentially toothless by loopholes and legal challenges"

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...oter-stockpil/

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there's a new Republican-backed Virginia law making it illegal to disclose the names of Virginia's proud concealed-carry permit owners;

Turns out, though, the only group currently seeking that list of Virginia gun owners seems to be the Republican Party itself.

Before it becomes the law of the land, Republican Party of Virginia Executive Director Anthony Ready did what he does every year. He FOIAed the name, mailing address, birth date, country of citizenship, telephone number and date of registration of every permit holder in Virginia. The only piece of information they asked to have redacted was the permit holder's Social Security Number.This request was dated June 6, 2013 less than a month before the release of this information in this fashion will be illegal in Virginia.

The Virginia Republicans say they're only asking about that information so that they can contact those gun owners and keep them informed on issues like who might be building big scary lists of gun owners, which is freaking awesome. Apparently, though, some gun owners are all peeved and crabby about it, and there's an effort afoot to deny the GOP's request.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/0...28Daily+Kos%29

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NRA, gun indu$try, gun fellators, all SOFT ON GUN CRIME

"As a lifelong career criminal, although I no longer enjoy the right to keep and bear arms, I’d like to take a moment to express my appreciation to the National Rifle Association for nonetheless protecting my ability to easily obtain them through its opposition to universal background checks.

Upon release in a few years from my current federal sentence on bank robbery and weapons charges, I fully anticipate being able to stop at a gun show on my way home to Connecticut — where new laws have made it nearly impossible for a felon to readily purchase guns or ammunition — in order to buy some with which to resume my criminal activities.

And so, a heartfelt thank you to the NRA and all those members of Congress voting with them. I, along with tens of thousands of other criminals, couldn’t do what we do without you."

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/201...-to-get-a-gun/

[TSA]

Boutons, thanks for the reminder. 10 day waiting period ends tomorrow and I get to pick up my new handgun.

[sjacquemotte]

you and your strawmanstrict gun regulations have to be national and retroactive to be effective.

Just say you're wrong b_d. It's empowering!

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strict gun laws would have confiscated and denied all guns to a mentally unstable, questionable patient

Gunman in Calif. rampage once held for psychiatric evaluation

The slain California gunman who killed five people in a rampage through Santa Monica was a onetime digital-media student who endured a troubled home life and spent several days as a teen in the psychiatric unit of a hospital, according to police, college officials and court records.

A fragmented portrait of the suspect, John Zawahri, took clearer shape on Monday as police continued to investigate what led him to lash out in a spasm of gun violence that claimed a total of six lives, including his own, on the eve of his 24th birthday.

http://my.chicagotribune.com/#sectio.../p2p-76250659/

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strict gun laws would have forbidden and punished such violation of the spirit of the law

High-capacity ammo 'repair kit' lawsuit

Firearms distributors are flouting California's ban on high-capacity magazines, those that can fire more than 10 rounds without reloading, by taking them apart and selling them as easily assembled "repair kits," City Attorney Dennis Herrera charged in a lawsuit filed Monday.

The Superior Court suit accuses three online gun-accessory companies and a promoter of California gun shows, including the annual Crossroads of the West show at the Cow Palace, of illegal business practices.
These businesses "think they've devised a clever end-run around California law by selling fully functional high-capacity magazines that have simply been disassembled into a few easily reassembled parts," Herrera said in a statement. "Our litigation intends to prove otherwise."

The companies are 44Mag Distributing of Harbor, Ore.; Exile Machine of Dallas; Cope's Distributing of Greenville, Ohio; and gun-show promoter B&L Productions of Kaysville, Utah. None returned phone calls seeking comment on the suit.
The state law, which took effect in 2000, banned manufacture and sale in California of magazines carrying more than 10 rounds of ammunition while allowing owners of existing high-capacity weapons to keep them and get them repaired at licensed shops.

http://mobile.sfgate.com/sfchron/db_...l=true#display

sicko gun fellators, GFY

[TSA]

These magazines become illegal in California the moment you assemble them

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These magazines become illegal in California the moment you assemble them

the mfrs don't care, they get their "2nd Amendment " $$$ anyway

and the buyers obviously won't assemble what they bought, because they are law-abiding citizens!

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truly strict gun laws would have allowed his family and authorities to have all his weaponry confiscated

"The suspect, 23-year-old John Zawahri, was known as an angry young man with a “fascination with guns” that worried family friends. Zawahri was born in Lebanon but has lived in the U.S. for at least 10 years. In a press conference on Sunday, police said the troubled young man"

"Zawahri had a run-in with the law in 2006, but police could not give more details as he was a juvenile at the time. A law enforcement source told CNN that Zawahri had been hospitalized for mental issues after talking about wanting to hurt someone."

"Technically, certain AR-15 rifles are prohibited in California, but critics have said the law is rendered essentially toothless by loopholes and legal challenges"

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/20...oter-stockpil/

You realize they don't even have the manpower to do this currently so I'm not sure how it would have stopped him. CA has approximately 40,000 firearms known to be in the hands of felons/mentally ill and they don't have the resources to do anything about it.

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Just because Barry used a bogus stat does not mean the gunshow loophole does not exist. So yes, that would be an example of a loophole that could be closed that could have some effect.

Cons utional concerns aside, It can be argued that a ban on all semi auto weapons would be effective as fuzzy so early pointed out to you, but you were too stupid to understand the argument.

still waiting pusher

[Th'Pusher]

still waiting pusher

You're waiting for Godot. Are you arguing that there is absolutely no effective regulation that can help reduce gun violence? That position is completely untenable.

[TSA]

You're waiting for Godot. Are you arguing that there is absolutely no effective regulation that can help reduce gun violence? That position is completely untenable.

We have a "violence" problem here in America that is much larger than just guns, it is not fair to only look at guns. Our society is pretty ed, one of the reasons I own guns.

There is plenty of regulation to reduce gun violence already in place that is not even enforced, I'm arguing to start enforcing those who violate the regulations first, before we start making more regulations. I'm also asking you what you think needs to be done and so far all you've come up with is the gun show loophole, which blew up in your face, and an all out ban on semi-autos, which is completely absurd considering how long firearms have been a part of our Country. Also this little thing called the Bill of Rights.


California has some of the toughest gun laws in the Nation, how'd that work out for the Santa Monica shooter? You claim that some laws are more effective, while others are less effective, and yet haven't given any data to back that up. That is all I'm asking for, show me these effective laws, share some of your ideas. I don't like gun violence any more than you do, I just like guns.


































































































































By the way, just to spite the Fuzzys and Boutons of the world I picked this up today

[Th'Pusher]

I read fuzzy and your back and forth where he provided empirical evidence, controlling for variables and you proved yourself too stupid to even understand the argument. Sorry. I'm not going to do the same.

[TSA]

You ing coward.

You made the claim, back it up. Here it is again in case you've forgotten.

Some laws are more effective than other laws. Existing laws may be ineffective or may have loopholes that need to be closed via additional legislation.

I'll ask you again. Which laws are more effective? Which laws are ineffective? What loopholes need to be closed?

[Th'Pusher]

Revisit the Yale study fuzzy posted and demonstrate you have even the slightest ability to comprehend the content and I'll contemplate engaging you in a serious discussion.

[TSA]

Revisit the Yale study fuzzy posted and demonstrate you have even the slightest ability to comprehend the content and I'll contemplate engaging you in a serious discussion.

This isn't about the Yale study, this is about YOUR claim. I havent told you to read the Harvard study that supports my stance on gun control now have I?

Stop acting like a coward and back up YOUR claim, it's on you.

[Th'Pusher]

This isn't about the Yale study, this is about YOUR claim. I havent told you to read the Harvard study that supports my stance on gun control now have I?

Stop acting like a coward and back up YOUR claim, it's on you.

your inability to decipher the results of either of those studies is what precludes us from having any sort of meaningful debate about this subject. That and the fact that you deteriorate into an emotional wreck whenever the conversation of gun control comes up...

[TSA]

your inability to decipher the results of either of those studies is what precludes us from having any sort of meaningful debate about this subject. That and the fact that you deteriorate into an emotional wreck whenever the conversation of gun control comes up...

What is precluding us from having any sort of conversation is your ass running from your claim. It's pretty obvious to anyone reading.

[Th'Pusher]

What is precluding us from having any sort of conversation is your ass running from your claim. It's pretty obvious to anyone reading.

emo

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You realize they don't even have the manpower to do this currently so I'm not sure how it would have stopped him. CA has approximately 40,000 firearms known to be in the hands of felons/mentally ill and they don't have the resources to do anything about it.

it's much easier to restrict gun distribution than it is to go after the guns in the wrong hands

you gun fellators, NRA, gun industry are SOFT ON GUN CRIME, because it's great for business

2nd Amendment?

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We have a "violence" problem here in America that is much larger than just guns, it is not fair to only look at guns. Our society is pretty ed, one of the reasons I own guns.

There is plenty of regulation to reduce gun violence already in place that is not even enforced, I'm arguing to start enforcing those who violate the regulations first, before we start making more regulations. I'm also asking you what you think needs to be done and so far all you've come up with is the gun show loophole, which blew up in your face, and an all out ban on semi-autos, which is completely absurd considering how long firearms have been a part of our Country. Also this little thing called the Bill of Rights.


California has some of the toughest gun laws in the Nation, how'd that work out for the Santa Monica shooter? You claim that some laws are more effective, while others are less effective, and yet haven't given any data to back that up. That is all I'm asking for, show me these effective laws, share some of your ideas. I don't like gun violence any more than you do, I just like guns.

By the way, just to spite the Fuzzys and Boutons of the world I picked this up today

goddam, you're a stupid

any gun regulation violations are by the guns/ammo selling industry.

you bought your gun not to spite anybody, but to feed your own gun fellating disease

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emo

That's really telling me.
It appears you were just talking out of your ass again as you've continually dodged the challenge to back your claim up.

[TSA]

it's much easier to restrict gun distribution than it is to go after the guns in the wrong hands

you gun fellators, NRA, gun industry are SOFT ON GUN CRIME, because it's great for business

2nd Amendment?

you are only restricting guns to law abiding citizens, criminals don't care about new regulations, they will get their guns regardless. Is it really that hard to understand?