Tracy McGrady's career hit an all time low

[ynh]

--Name chasing: Trading Chauncey Billups for the superstar name, Allen Iverson. This is something that New York did a lot (Steve Francis comes to mind). They brought in players that had names elsewhere--like the Yankees without a brain for basketball. Now, he's chasing a washed-up Tracy McGrady.

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He traded for Iversons contract more than the name.. I don't know why you would miss this being a piston fan.

[JamStone]

So in evaluating a GM, we can ignore his first four years and the fact he built a championship team pretty much from scratch just so we can compare him to one of the worst GMs in NBA history?

We could similarly say that The Spurs success from 1997 on is directly attributed to the luck of ping pong balls.

It's even a far more ridiculous thing to say building a long lasting championship contending team was mostly luck than to say Dumars is just like Isiah. There's luck involved in making moves in sports at the professional level. It takes player prognostication, luck for those players not to get seriously injured, having players peak together as a team at the same time, and then the luck of the game itself, avoiding things like .04. Luck is part of the game. Take the luck of drafting Tim Duncan #1 overall, even with all the other good moves the Spurs front office have done over the last decade plus, the Spurs have zero championships without Duncan. Is there success all based on luck?

It's petty logic trying to justify your initial poor contentions.

[Darrin]

He traded for Iversons contract more than the name.. I don't know why you would miss this being a piston fan.

That's not what he said; that is what everyone assumed. He was brought here to be the hungry force, the "shake-up," that Dumars has laid out over the summer. They would contend in 2009 and take the contract up the next summer. Revisionist history states what you claim. It failed and Dumars kept quiet as everyone made excuses.

[ynh]

Do you believe everything that people tell the media?

[Laimbeer Man of War]

This move by Detroit clearly makes them a contender for most ping pong balls.

[scampers]

That's not what he said; that is what everyone assumed. He was brought here to be the hungry force, the "shake-up," that Dumars has laid out over the summer. They would contend in 2009 and take the contract up the next summer. Revisionist history states what you claim. It failed and Dumars kept quiet as everyone made excuses.

He said that just in case Iverson turned out to be a hit. It was very obvious he traded for Iverson's contract, but he's not going to come out to the press and admit it. He had to say he specifically wanted Iverson, a.) to not sound like a complete and b.) for the slight chance that Iverson does well with the Pistons and would be worth re-signing. I'm sure if T-Mac is signed, he'll say the same exact load of crap about T-Mac "being a missing piece" or whatever. It's just all part of the bull game.

Regarding Iverson... I thought the trade -could- have been good. It sucked losing Chauncey, but we were getting a sizeable expiring contract to play with. What he did with that expiring salary is what made the trade a failure.

[Kriz-Maxima]

All of this because a ty team might take a gamble on an ex superstar for one year at the league minimum?

[Basketball Jones]

Did McGrady ever hit an all time high?

[DaDakota]

Tmac or Steve Francis - who goes bankrupt first....

DD

[SomeCallMeTim]

So in evaluating a GM, we can ignore his first four years and the fact he built a championship team pretty much from scratch just so we can compare him to one of the worst GMs in NBA history?

We could similarly say that The Spurs success from 1997 on is directly attributed to the luck of ping pong balls.

It's even a far more ridiculous thing to say building a long lasting championship contending team was mostly luck than to say Dumars is just like Isiah. There's luck involved in making moves in sports at the professional level. It takes player prognostication, luck for those players not to get seriously injured, having players peak together as a team at the same time, and then the luck of the game itself, avoiding things like .04. Luck is part of the game. Take the luck of drafting Tim Duncan #1 overall, even with all the other good moves the Spurs front office have done over the last decade plus, the Spurs have zero championships without Duncan. Is there success all based on luck?

It's petty logic trying to justify your initial poor contentions.

Dumars is a tough case to judge. I compare his career arc to Prince's.

Went from brilliant GM who could do no wrong. Prince started out as a brilliant musician and songwriter who could do no wrong.

Dumars scored huge hits when he traded for Big Ben, Chauncey, Sheed, and Rip as well as drafting Prince (no, the other one, silly) and Okur. Prince scored huge hits and enjoyed enormous critical success with Dirty Mind, Controversy, 1999, Parade, and Sign O The Times.

Dumars' crowning achievement was winning the chip in 2004. Prince's crowning achievement was his career-defining Purple Rain in 1984.

The turning point for Dumars where it all started to go wrong was the Darko pick. For Prince, it was Graffiti Bridge. Both unmitigated disasters that led to untold damage.

After that, it was pretty much downhill for Dumars: trading away Billups for Iverson, signing Gordon and Villanueva to ridiculous, franchise-destroying contracts. Prince has been in a spiral since as well, releasing Rave Un2 The Joy Fantastic and Newpower Soul.

Oh, each has a minor success since to remind us what used to be. Dumars drafted Jerebko and re-signed Big Ben cheaply. Prince released The Gold Experience. But, sadly, they were but brief reminders of what used to be.





Joe Dumars and Prince: more similar than you think.

[fevertrees]

He's about to have the same amount of rings as Lebron :