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That's not the point. The point is when you say "if a player died, you would be better off" then say "It's a team loss you can't blame that player", it doesn't make sense.
You would have been howling if Manu turned it around like he has 234,109,235 times in the past.
That's not the point. The point is when you say "if a player died, you would be better off" then say "
Of course we would be howling if he turned it around. But he didn't. He cost the Spurs a le last night. We are discussing what happened. People aren't blaming Pop for playing Manu which alludes to your thread and point above. They are blaming Manu and rightfully so which disagrees with the part I said.
I disagree
Pop went full re in this game
I'm sorry, but I will blame Pop. With 28 seconds to go in a close out game of the NBA Finals, you freakin play your franchise player! As simple as that! Diaw has had a nice series, but in no situation in a close out game of the NBA Finals do I want Boris Diaw in there instead of Tim Duncan. Pop overthought and got arrogant thinking that he controlled more than he really did. I guarantee we would've won if Duncan was in there at the end. Do you really think Duncan would've given up those rebounds?
you have your foot on their throat. You're about to deliver the knock out blow. You dont sit guys, just in case there is a run, and then proceed to put in the very guys that give the Heat that run.
who's to say the spurs go start the 4th on a 8-0 run and put the game away. Instead, lets play like they're might be a run, and in fact, here are the players to help you make that run.
also, if Tim was benched for "bad matchups", how is ginobili running the pick and roll and turning the ball over and over not a bad matchup. A bad matchup is someone that is burned over and over because of the personal on the floor. Why was pop putting Manu in the position to keep turning the ball over. Isn't running the pnr with manu a bad matchup in the heats favor?
Thank you. I certainly don't get the notion "you roll with Manu cause he got you there" Sure Manu has been amazing in the past but this year they were winning in spite of Manu. Outside of game 5 in this series, Richard Jefferson (I can't believe I'm saying this) would have been a better option at this point
I'm sorry but their isn't any excuse for that. Pop played Duncan & Parker with 10:30 left in the game 5 yet on the road he waits 4 minutes of break in between quarters and a full time out as well plus 4:30 of game time to bring them back in clinging to a leading. Our offense was in shambles after that. We never looked comfortable on offense after that. We were up by 10 at the end of the 3rd. Having one of them to keep Manu from handing the ball full time would have helped close out that game.
This thread isn't about hindsight, tbh. This thread is about critiquing coaching decisions as they happened.
This would be a much better argument if TD and TP both didn't still look tired even after the extended break.
What? This thread is about the hindsight of Pop's decisions plus your thoughts on blame. You specifically went outside the "coaching" aspect and ventured into the "blame" aspect with regards to players hence my disagreement.
Parker and Kawhi missed a ft late in the game. And Pop's mistake was to call plays for Parker and Manu to drive, should have tried a jumper if Duncan was too tired.
But, the Heat connected some late 3's, Bosh also played some defense late.
Sorry this one is on Pop, If td and tp were too tired to play the 4th well they'll have the rest of the summer to rest and to think about Pop decision
tbh, I just can't stop remembering the 4th quarter starting and being in complete shock with the lineup... just cannot get over it. And after they cut it to 4, Pop calls a timeout and same lineup still out there? I was floored.
Tim needed to go back in when Bosh was put in.. Bosh was not there to shoot a 3 he was there to rebound which he did easily over a helpless Manu and flipped it back to Allen..
A video coordinator outcoached a coach with 4 rings
To me that is where the game and likely the championship was lost. Tim boxes that Bosh out and the game is over...
Exactly, even a high school coach can see that anybody with common sense can see that
I dig TimVp's posts and am a huge fan of his classy wife.
That said, I disagree with this opinion for reasons I have detailed in other threads. Pop flat out overthought it and overcoached it, period. He completely botched the game and I just hope the team can dig deep and bail him out in Game 7.
It wasn't just one bad coaching decision, it was a series of them to the point where I think you could legitimately argue it was one of the worst coaching performances in NBA Finals history. And I am not saying that only in hindsight, I was saying it at the time....he blew the game when it was obvious the Spurs badly outplayed them.
He needs to just calm the down and make sensible decisions in Game 7, a good start would be enough with the endless "rest" periods for star players. Let the star players tell you if they need to come out, they have all ing summer to rest and this is for all the marbles. The TV timeouts alone are plenty of rest for most players, trust me on that.
If a guy needs to come out, let him signal you....don't have your two best players not on the floor in the last minute of regulation when you are up 5 with a le on the line....ASANINE.
EXACTLY!!!!!!!!! How many threes has Bosh shot since game 1? I'm pretty sure none! And sure Duncan isn't the best perimeter defender, but even if he has to switch due to a screen from Bosh, he is tall enough to disturb any three point shot. Worst case scenario he gets beat and gives up a layup, which would not have been near as devastating as a three point shot. Keeping Diaw as the only big (though you could consider Leonard a big) was beyond dumb for many reasons.
You have to be one of the most ignorant posters on this board.
When were you decapitated? What type of head did you get through insurance, I think the model was recalled.
I agree, the endgame subbing wasn't a big deal. Kawhi's free throw... sucked.
Diaw changing the way he defended LeBron was the worst thing that happened. LBJ was in his own head, until Diaw got him into his comfort zone. All of a sudden it seemed like no one could stop him (no one can, he can only stop himself, so let him). And that was what let Miami back in the game. Yet for all the narrative about how great LBJ played, he missed a lot and turned it over a lot there in the late fourth.
Fml I'm agreeing with a laker fan
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