Cavs: Numbers Show LeBron James Will Never Be Michael Jordan

[AchillesHeel]

LA is the 2nd largest market in the US, Chicago is 3rd, tbh..

Miami is 16th..

Ratings were higher in every sport prior to our era, but the market obviously makes a difference, too..

[ElNono]

LA is the 2nd largest market in the US, Chicago is 3rd, tbh..

Miami is 16th..

Ratings were higher in every sport prior to our era, but the market obviously makes a difference, too..

sup Harlem, how are you enjoying your time off the board, tbh?

[HarlemHeat37]

AchileesHeel's predictions and takes have been atrocious since joining the board, tbh..

Lakers-Celtics 2010 TV Ratings: 10.6
Lakers-Celtics 2008 TV Ratings: 9.3
Lakers-Magic 2009 TV Ratings: 8.4

Lakers-Pistons 1989: 15.1
Lakers-Pistons 1988: 15.4
Lakers-Celtics 1987: 15.9

Ya, you get the point, tbh..

And even the Rockets-Magic in 1995 drew a 13 rating, higher than any Lakers series in the 2000s, which speaks volumes for my argument..

[HarlemHeat37]

sup Harlem, how are you enjoying your time off the board, tbh?

it's my last day today, tbh..

[BatManu20]

I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

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I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

The Suns had him on the line 20 years ago this month & Paxson bailed him out.

[gaKNOW!blee]

I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

[AchillesHeel]

AchileesHeel's predictions and takes have been atrocious since joining the board, tbh..

Lakers-Celtics 2010 TV Ratings: 10.6
Lakers-Celtics 2008 TV Ratings: 9.3
Lakers-Magic 2009 TV Ratings: 8.4

Lakers-Pistons 1989: 15.1
Lakers-Pistons 1988: 15.4
Lakers-Celtics 1987: 15.9

Ya, you get the point, tbh..

And even the Rockets-Magic in 1995 drew a 13 rating, higher than any Lakers series in the 2000s, which speaks volumes for my argument..

And what do the Lakers have anything to do with this topic? This is about ratings during Lebron's era vs MJ's. Obviously, when MJ was dominating the NBA Finals were much more popular, more people tuned in to see Michael make history instead of Lebron being bailed out by his teammates.

And fyi, the 2013 Finals had worse ratings than the 2010 Finals.

You're proving my point, NBA has gotten less popular since MJ retired.

[HarlemHeat37]

Jordan went 5-19 from the field against Seattle in game 7 of the '96 Finals, but sure, he never needed his teammates..

[HarlemHeat37]

And what do the Lakers have anything to do with this topic? This is about ratings during Lebron's era vs MJ's. Obviously, when MJ was dominating the NBA Finals were much more popular, more people tuned in to see Michael make history instead of Lebron being bailed out by his teammates.

And fyi, the 2013 Finals had worse ratings than the 2010 Finals.

You're proving my point, NBA has gotten less popular since MJ retired.

The other poster cited the Lakers as an example of a team that still draws ratings in today's league..as I proved, ratings in today's sports, not just the NBA, are lower due to the various outlets to stay updated on sports, tbh..

The NBA drew higher ratings than today even when Jordan retired for 2 years..

[AchillesHeel]

Harlem, I know you're a huge Lebron fan and I know how much it kills you that Michael Jordan ever existed. Your boy Bron will always be in his shadow, just like Achilles.

[AchillesHeel]

Jordan went 5-19 from the field against Seattle in game 7 of the '96 Finals, but sure, he never needed his teammates..

Jordan never allowed a Game 7 in the NBA Finals.

[HarlemHeat37]

Game 6*..

Jordan shot 5-19 in the close-out game against Seattle after the Bulls blew a 3-0 series lead and needed his teammates to bail him out, tbh..

[timtonymanu]

I'm pretty sure Harlem acknowledged that LeBron will never be better than MJ.

[AchillesHeel]

I'm pretty sure Harlem acknowledged that LeBron will never be better than MJ.

Then why is he so insecure about Lebron being in MJ's shadow? Why does he get so riled up about ratings? Why does he have to point out MJ shooting 5-19 if he's fine with Lebron never being the GOAT?

[HarlemHeat37]

I don't think Lebron's career will equal Jordan and I don't think he can sustain greatness for as long as Jordan did, but I would take 2012 and 2013 Lebron over any 2-year period from Jordan, tbh..

Lebron had much more responsibility on his team than Jordan did during his le years, tbh..

I pointed out 5-19 because Batmanu said Jordan never needed a bailout, tbh..

[BatManu20]

Yea those aren't bail outs.. Jordan was double-teamed by Utah so he hit the wide open man (Kerr) for a jump shot, and Paxson's shot came off an out of bounds play after a time out. It wasn't after MJ turned the ball over two straight times in the last minute like Lebron.. Phoenix didn't choke away that game with missed FT's and giving offensive rebounds.

The only reason I say this is because I think it's funny how one Ray Allen prayer essentially saved Lebron's "legacy" that everyone likes to talk about. If Spurs don't royally choke, Lebron is suddenly 1-3 in the Finals and is known as a choker. But Ray Ray hits that prayer and suddenly Lebron is arguably better than MJ, a man who went 6-0 in the NBA Finals and didn't rely on prayers to win them. Just sayin. It's all overindulgence by the fans & media anyways. People are too easily manipulated and influenced by talking heads. It's almost laughable.

[MeloHype]

ing homers, Lebum will never better than the GOAT

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ing homers, Lebum will never better than the GOAT

But, he has the opportunity.

[Bill_Brasky]

The Suns had him on the line 20 years ago this month & Paxson bailed him out.

Yup.

Dad killer won nothing sans Pippen.

[AchillesHeel]

I don't think Lebron's career will equal Jordan and I don't think he can sustain greatness for as long as Jordan did, but I would take 2012 and 2013 Lebron over any 2-year period from Jordan, tbh..

Lebron had much more responsibility on his team than Jordan did during his le years, tbh..

I pointed out 5-19 because Batmanu said Jordan never needed a bailout, tbh..

Michael Jordan: Playoffs Per Game (1990-91 to 1991-92)

From	To	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
1991	1992	39	39	41.3	12.5	24.5	.509	0.7	1.8	.386	7.4	8.6	.852	1.4	4.9	6.3	6.9	2.2	1.0	3.2	2.9	33.0

LeBron James: Playoffs Per Game (2011-12 to 2012-13)

From	To	G	GS	MP	FG	FGA	FG%	3P	3PA	3P%	FT	FTA	FT%	ORB	DRB	TRB	AST	STL	BLK	TOV	PF	PTS
2012	2013	46	46	42.2	10.1	20.3	.496	1.3	3.9	.320	6.7	8.9	.756	2.0	7.1	9.1	6.1	1.8	0.7	3.3	2.0	28.1

[BatManu20]

[MeloHype]

[cesare borgia]

I don't ever remember MJ having to rely on role players to bail him out in the NBA Finals. Ray Allen saved Lebron's "legacy." MJ created his.

Originally Posted by ambchang
Tough to find those games tbh.


In those 6 championship runs, it's tough to find one game where Jordan sucked, his teammate shined, and the Bulls won.

Jamstone Reply it with...


You're probably right. I bet it never happened. If it did, maybe once or twice. But probably not. I'm






http://www.basketball-reference.com/...105190CHI.html (Jordan 6-for-15 for 22 points, the bench 12-for-21 for 30 points)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...106070LAL.html (Jordan 11-for-28 for 29 points, Horace Grant and Cliff Levingston 14-for-16 for 32 points)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...205290CLE.html (Jordan 10-for-27, the rest of the Bulls 28-for-57)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...305290CHI.html (20 point blowout win for the Bulls with Jordan shooting 3-for-18 from the field)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...306040CHI.html (Jordan shoots 8-for-24 from the field, each of the other 7 Chicago Bulls players that attempted a shot in this game shot over 50% from the field)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...605120NYK.html (Jordan 7-for-23, the bench 11-for-17 from the field, 5-for-5 from 3 point range, Rodman had 19 rebounds)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...606160CHI.html (Jordan 5-for-19, 5 turnovers, Longley and Rodman with surprising offensive contributions, 9-for-15 and 21 points)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705280CHI.html (Jordan 11-for-31, Pippen only played 7 minutes, Longley, Harper, and Rodman combined for 38 big points when they only averaged 20 points in those playoffs)


http://www.basketball-reference.com/...705220CHI.html (Jordan 4-for-15 from the field, Pippen had to step up to help win the game)

[AchillesHeel]

MJ's Finals averages

YEAR	Opponent	G	MPG	FG%	3P%	FT%	ORB	DRB	RPG	APG	SPG	BPG	TO	PF	PPG
1990-91	Lakers	5	44.0	.558	.500	.848	1.6	5.0	6.6	11.4	2.8	1.40	3.6	3.6	31.2
1991-92	Trail Blazers	6	42.3	.526	.429	.891	1.0	3.8	4.8	6.5	1.7	0.33	2.0	3.5	35.8
1992-93	Suns	6	45.7	.508	.400	.694	2.5	6.0	8.5	6.3	1.7	0.67	2.7	3.3	41.0
1995-96	Supersonics	6	42.0	.415	.316	.836	1.7	3.7	5.3	4.2	1.7	0.17	3.0	2.8	27.3
1996-97	Jazz	6	42.7	.456	.320	.764	1.5	5.5	7.0	6.0	1.2	0.83	2.2	2.3	32.3
1997-98	Jazz	6	41.7	.427	.308	.814	1.5	2.5	4.0	2.3	1.8	0.67	1.7	2.2	33.5
Finals		5.8	43.0	.481	.368	.806	1.8	4.4	6.0	6.0	1.8	0.66	2.4	2.9	33.6