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Getting Lamarcus Aldridge would be a wet dream come true. Friggin Blazers always seem to have a couple fingers up the Spurs' ass.
Probably would be Splitter S&T for Myers Leonard or 2014 first round pick and Trade Exception for the difference. No way Spurs get Aldridge without giving up Kawhi...dude is an all-star.
Last edited by AFBlue; 06-24-2013 at 06:46 PM.
Getting Lamarcus Aldridge would be a wet dream come true. Friggin Blazers always seem to have a couple fingers up the Spurs' ass.
Hence "known" and not known. You don't just offer up a player for two consecutive seasons if you still want to keep them.
Who's to say they haven't? From what I've heard, the Cavs don't want a big with their pick. They want another two-guard. Cleveland also has tons of trade possibilities for small-forwards (their biggest hole) that don't involve giving up the top pick.If they really wanted a center instead of Aldridge, they could just offer him for the 1st pick and take Len, who'd be a far better fit for their re-build. Another far better trade would be (if Howard signs with the Rockets), Asik, Jones and a 1st.
He's averaged a PER of about 25 as a center over the last few years. I agree he's not really suited for it, though, which is why he doesn't like doing it. He wouldn't have to worry about that in San Antonio, though.I disagree about Aldridge being a center. Even though he's got the size and strength for it, he's not nearly good enough as a defensive rebounder/rim protector.
That's like saying that Splitter for Jefferson couldn't be seen as an upgrade. Of course it could. It just depends on what team needs. Yes, LA is an All-Star while Splitter is just a role-player, but if having an elite PnR big will help Lillard reach superstar status, then yeah, it's an upgrade. Also, doing that trade will give Portland enough money to offer a max deal to most of the big free agents. If they can get a player like Josh Smith, Andre Iguadola or Tyreke Evans, then making the deal could be a big step toward creating a borderline contender.In no form or fashion can Splitter for Aldridge be seen as an upgrade.
That picture of Ginobili from the second link:
Yeah. If that was the deal, then he did turn down money. But there's no way of knowing for sure. The Spurs could have matched that offer with all the cap space they had. It's even possible the deal was front-loaded, so the difference between the two contracts (the rumored one and the one he actually signed) may have been negligible. Thanks for the link, though.
That was right after the 1st season Carmelo landed in Denver. They ended up giving almost that same exact deal (6 years/$9m with raises per season) to Kenyon Martin, and also signed Andre Miller for 3 years at $8m/season...
Yeah. If that was the deal, then he did turn down money. But there's no way of knowing for sure. The Spurs could have matched that offer with all the cap space they had. It's even possible the deal was front-loaded, so the difference between the two contracts (the rumored one and the one he actually signed) may have been negligible. Thanks for the link, though.
Apparently they had a lot of cap space...
Lets do a sign and trade for Batum
Who said they "offered him up"? Had they, they'd have found a better deal than what the Spurs would realistically offer and they'd have done so in short order.
I think they're listening because they know that if they can't fast track this re-build this summer and show progress next season, that he'll probably want out anyway and the more time left on the contract of a player of that caliber, the more value in return.
Not long after the Cavs landed the 1st pick, I heard that they'd be interested in a veteran star, such as Aldridge, but that the Trail Blazers wouldn't do it.Who's to say they haven't? From what I've heard, the Cavs don't want a big with their pick. They want another two-guard. Cleveland also has tons of trade possibilities for small-forwards (their biggest hole) that don't involve giving up the top pick.
The Cavs want an in their prime star in general and specifically, a C or SF. If they wanted an SG, we'd have heard more about them drafting McLemore and trading Waiters. As is, I haven't heard a thing about either.
That's nice, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a sub par defensive rebounder/rim protector.He's averaged a PER of about 25 as a center over the last few years. I agree he's not really suited for it, though, which is why he doesn't like doing it. He wouldn't have to worry about that in San Antonio, though.
Asik would be a better example, as he's obviously not as good as Aldridge, but far better at the things Aldridge doesn't do well (Asik is actually not a great shot blocker either, but a much better overall defensive anchor). Big deal if Splitter is a better roll man; Aldridge is a better popper.That's like saying that Splitter for Jefferson couldn't be seen as an upgrade. Of course it could. It just depends on what team needs. Yes, LA is an All-Star while Splitter is just a role-player, but if having an elite PnR big will help Lillard reach superstar status, then yeah, it's an upgrade. Also, doing that trade will give Portland enough money to offer a max deal to most of the big free agents. If they can get a player like Josh Smith, Andre Iguadola or Tyreke Evans, then making the deal could be a big step toward creating a borderline contender.
Lillard has no chance at becoming a superstar. James and Durant are the only two players in the league that I'd describe as that at the moment and the only other one that advanced stats indicate is, is Paul.
And none of those players, in conjunction with Splitter, would vault them anywhere near borderline contender status. In fact, all they'd do is limit them being a 1st round and out team, with a ceiling of 2nd round, going forward.
If Aldridge ends up in a Spurs uniform it would go a long way to easing my pain. Too good to be possible. I trade anyone except Kawhi..
Dont understand the obsession with Aldridge. If the Spurs were getting the pre all-star, had something to prove Aldridge, then it would be great. He regressed a lot last year and went back to just shooting jumpshots.
Aldridge wouldnt be a bad pickup at all though.
We could use this. Find a way to get him here for Splitter, R.C.!
Looking at that video makes me realize how bad that Spurs team was. Wow.
I liked Aldrige a few years ago, but for some reason, apparently a common occurrence in Blazers players, his knees seem to have taken a huge toll recently... I thought last year it was painful just to see him walk... he's still a great player, but you have to make sure he's not damaged goods....
I think you're massively overrating Aldridge. No one outside of Portland's commentators considers him a star anymore. He's pretty overpaid, and he may already be declining. That doesn't stop him from being a good player with several good seasons left, but it does hurt his value.
I think you're right that he might want to leave Portland if the team doesn't turn it around soon, though.
I also heard about the Cavs trying to trade the first-overall pick for a young star. But I heard nothing about Aldridge. If Portland turned them down (and I don't believe they did), then that shows why the Blazers aren't hoping to find a missing piece in the draft.Not long after the Cavs landed the 1st pick, I heard that they'd be interested in a veteran star, such as Aldridge, but that the Trail Blazers wouldn't do it.
The Cavs want an in their prime star in general and specifically, a C or SF. If they wanted an SG, we'd have heard more about them drafting McLemore and trading Waiters. As is, I haven't heard a thing about either.
He's allowed a PER of about 14 as a center, so he's not that bad on defense. I agreed that he doesn't like being inside and that his game isn't suited for it. I was just pointing out that he's actually not that bad at it.That's nice, but it doesn't change the fact that he's a sub par defensive rebounder/rim protector.
As for the rest of your post, we'll see. I don't know what Lillard will become. But I do feel that the Blazers are going to try to build around him. So they'll probably try to outbid the Spurs for Splitter and still move Aldridge if they can find the package they're looking for. But if the Spurs show a serious intent to match the offer, then the Blazers may just collapse both deals into one and get some more assets. The longer they wait, the less they'll get, as the Cavs are finding out with Varejao.
Last edited by Chinook; 06-24-2013 at 08:07 PM.
Lol yea I noticed that too. Compared this year it's a pretty remarkable difference.
Yeah, I was thinking about an Eric Gordon/Aldridge swap and then I remembered Gordon's knee issues. He would probably end up retiring mid-season.
I agree about his knees, though. I think that's a big reason why Portland's trying to move him. Hopefully, if the Spurs did get him, Pop could rest him enough to keep him healthy for the next two season. With his short deal, he'd at least be useful as an expiring contract after next season.
there must be something in the water or air up there.....cause all the tall people seem to have bad knees.......Walton, Bowie, Oden, Aldridge, Pryzbilla
Bad teams with cap are similar to trolls. They seem to like to with other teams
Houston with Lin (N.Y) and Osik (Chicago)
Portland with Hibbert (Indiana)
Toronto with Landry (N.Y.)
Don't forget Steve Smith.
Hearing TD 21 talk you'd think Aldridge is LeBron James.
Freeing up cap space is huge in today's market as are draft picks, especially if its one for a solid draft like next seasons draft. Moving Aldridge and the 30 MILLION left on his deal for a good big man, a guard prospect on a cheap deal, a first rounder in next years draft and the flexibility to add another max/close to max player is not a bad deal for the Blazers at all.
I actually think he's generally overrated, but you're massively underrating him . . . and whether you think it or not, virtually everyone still considers him a star.
benefactor, that's a terrible trade. If Splitter were three-five years younger and a better rebounder/rim protector, then it would make sense. De Colo is a run of the mill fifth guard and the draft pick is going to be late 1st.
Cap space is great, but they'd be hard pressed to get a player as good, let alone better than him, so they may as well keep him unless someone blows them away.
How do they having spending money? They should lock in that pg before offering Tiago something stupid.
If by "star" you mean top 10 big man, then yes, most people do consider him that. But if you mean a top 10-15 player, I don't think many would agree. He's definitely passed the franchise cornerstone phase. I think most people who overrate him forget how old he is. He's only a few months younger than Splitter, and Tiago has fewer NBA miles on him and a cleaner bill of health (surprisingly).
What do you think would be a fair deal for him? I agree that Portland may demand more than what benefactor or I suggested, but I think that's more because the Blazers don't like dealing with the Spurs.
I don't understand why they'd move Aldridge and then outbid another team with cap for a center who is the same age (I think) and is less of a threat on the offense end. Also Hickson has played very well in the starting lineup and the 7'0 footer they drafted last season should be in line for at least 15-20 regular minutes per game. He, I'd imagine is considered the future given where they drafted him. His athleticism in a couple of years could make him and Lillard a nice pick and roll combo.
Has two more seasons before he can be extended.
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