The Trayvon Martin Case

[CosmicCowboy]

Lol CC, you want a teen, whose parents weren't home atm, to give a complete stranger the street he lives on??? Man get the outta here with that bull .

And you want him to punch the guy in the nose.

I get that you are ing stupid.

My point is that there were a myriad of non-confrontational choices for Martin to have taken.

[Sportcamper]

My point is that there were a myriad of non-confrontational choices for Martin to have taken.

George Zimmerman…Wanna B Cop…No Formal Training…No Watch group uniform or ID Badge…Was told by police dispatcher to not follow Trayvon…Zimmerman armed with a 9 mm ignores instructions & follows 17 year old Trayvon…Trayvon asks hey man why are you following me…Smart azz loser Zimmerman does not identify himself as a Neighborhood watch person but instead says I am not following you….Zimmerman is a complete whack who started the confrontation and when 17 year old Trayvon got the upper hand in the conflict he was shot…

[boutons_deux]

Slamming someones head against a hard surface is about 10X as effective as punching them.

shooting them is even more effective. Z murdered M while M was Standing His Ground.

[JudynTX]

I hope Judge Nelson lets the previous 911 calls that GZ made into evidence.

[boutons_deux]

And you want him to punch the guy in the nose.

I get that you are ing stupid.

My point is that there were a myriad of non-confrontational choices for Martin to have taken.

My point is that there were two actions that Z did that were against Neighborhood Watch rules:

1. be armed

2. confront the suspect

GFY

[clambake]

interesting country of yours.......where a guy like george can determine if anyone is a suspect.

[CosmicCowboy]

I never said Zimmerman was right,. Zimmerman is an asshole.

I guess you guys can't read. I have said that over and over.

That doesn't mean he is guilty of second degree murder.

[CosmicCowboy]

I hope Judge Nelson lets the previous 911 calls that GZ made into evidence.

Maybe I'm just not understanding this, but isn't that why they have neighborhood watches? To have citizens help the police by getting involved and calling in when they see something su ious? Why would Zimmerman's previous calls be considered a bad thing?

[JudynTX]

He didn't need to be armed.

[JudynTX]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/article...plete-log.html

[Sportcamper]

I guess you guys can't read. I have said that over and over. That doesn't mean he is guilty of second degree murder.

I understand that and Alan Dershowitz agrees with you…I just think that Zimmerman should be released to the populace in Compton so justice can be served…

[resistanze]

Hilarious that if Trayvon was armed and shot the armed man that was following him home dead, he'd be completely justified by Florida Law. Too bad he only had his fists.

[CosmicCowboy]

As I see it, there is no physical evidence or eyewitness testimony I have heard about of how the confrontation started or who physically initiated it. Only two people knew and one of them is dead. Zimmerman says Martin jumped him and sucker punched him.

All this other smoke leading up to the actual shooting is just smoke. They can't prove that Zimmerman initiated the PHYSICAL confrontation. Zimmerman may be a disgusting pig but at the time of the shooting a reasonable person in his situation getting the crap beat out of him would have REASONABLE fear of serious bodily injury and that's all it takes to avoid conviction..

[Trill Clinton]

cross examining the neighborhood watch person:

10:53 a.m. ET: Dorival said all the police needs for the neighborhood watch to do is be its "eyes and ears."
10:49 a.m. ET: West asked Dorival if Zimmerman's behavior every raised any red flags. Dorival said no he seemed concerned and wanted to help.
10:47 a.m. ET: Dorival said acted as a "liaison" between the police and the neighborhood watch.
10:43 a.m. ET: West asked Dorival if a resident told her if there was a home invasion and robbery in the community. The prosecution objected as hearsay, and the judge sustained their objection. West reworded his question, and Dorival said yes one resident said she was traumatized by a home invasion where the perpetrator broke into her home during the day when she was home with her small child.
10:39 a.m. ET: Dorival said residents of Zimmerman's neighborhood they were concerned about robberies, and the fencing around the neighborhood.
10:37 a.m. ET: West asked Dorival if Zimmerman was respectful when he worked with her. Dorival said yes he was always respectful.
10:35 a.m. ET: Dorival said that the neighborhood home owner's association asked Zimmerman to organize its neighborhood watch.
10:32 a.m. ET: Prosecutor Guy has finished his questions for Dorival, and now defense attorney Don West is cross-examining her.
10:29 a.m. ET: Dorival said that she told the the neighborhood watch volunteers in Zimmerman's neighborhood to only call 911 when their property, liberty or when someone was in danger. They were also told to never pursue or engage su isous people in the neighborhood.
10:25 a.m. ET: Dorival said gave a presentation on September 22, 2011 about the role of the neighborhood watch, and Zimmerman was attendance. The following slide is from that presentation.

10:22 a.m. ET: Dorival is reviewing the neighborhood watch handbook the police department hands out to volunteers.
10:20 a.m. ET: Dorival said she eventually met Zimmerman at a presentation about starting a neighborhood watch program for his neighorhood.
10:16 a.m. ET: Dorival that people participating in neighborhood watch programs should be the "eyes and ears" for the police.
10:15 a.m. ET: Rumph is finished testifying. The prosecution is calling its next witness, Wendy Dorival was a volunteer program manager for the Sanford, Florida police department in 2012, and coordinated and helped start neighborhood watch programs in the community.
10:09 a.m. ET: The attorneys are at a sidebar with the judge.
10:07 a.m. ET: Rumph maintains the calls received on the 911 and non-emergency lines. She has worked for the sheriff's office for 26 years. She is explaining when 911 calls the night of the shooting connected to with the 911 system and disconnected. Multiple people in the neighborhood called 911 as a result of the shooting.
10:03 a.m. ET: The jury is seated and Ramona Rumph returns to the witness stand.
9:47 a.m. ET: Judge Nelson said she will review the case law and the tapes, and will rule on the admissibility of the evidence later. She has recessed court for 10 minutes. When court resumes the prosecution will pick back up with their case.
9:46 a.m. ET: The prosecution is playing the prior calls Zimmerman made reporting su ious to the police in rapid succession. On one call, Zimmerman said he doesn't want to approach a su ious man in his neighborhood.
9:44 a.m. ET: On another call, Zimmerman tells a dispatcher that there are two su ious "African-American males" loitering in his neighborhood, and he is a member of the neighborhood watch.
9:42 a.m. ET: Zimmerman is closing his eyes as the recordings are played for the judge.

9:39 a.m. ET: On another recording, Zimmerman said he sees su ious people run or get away most of the time, and he thinks they retreat to the next neighborhood over.
9:36 a.m. ET: The prosecution is playing Zimmerman's "prior calls" reporting su ious people for the judge. Zimmerman can be heard telling the police about a "black" kid in his neighborhood who matches the description of someone who robbed a house in his neighborhood.
9:31 a.m. ET: "I am allowed and required actually to establish or to address the self-defense in this case. The fact in issue, relevance, pertains no to just the elements of the crime, but the elements of the defense, whether it was justifiable." said Mantei.
9:29 a.m. ET: Mantei is going over how the case law supports the prosecution's argument again.
9:27 a.m. ET: Mantei is said the defense initially agreed to the admissibility of these phone calls, and they aren't a "secret."
9:23 a.m. ET: O'Mara has finished his argument, and now prosecutor Mantei is giving a rebuttal argument.
9:20 a.m. ET: "State of mind does not negate the rules of evidence," said O'Mara.
9:16 a.m. ET: O'Mara said the prosecution can't use "prior good acts" to establish motive, and he can't find a case where that has been allowed.

9:11 a.m. ET: Part of the phone call was played for the juror Monday, before the defense objected to it. O'Mara is asking the judge to tell the jurors to ignore the call and any reference prosecutor John Guy made to it during his opening statement.
9:06 a.m. ET: "They are going to be asking this jury to make a quantum leap from good responsible citizen behavior to seething anger," said O'Mara.
9:03 a.m. ET: Defense attorney Mark O'Mara is now arguing against the admissibility of the Zimmerman's prior phone call. O'Mara said the prosecution is building a cir stantial case against his client, because they have little direct evidence this incident was second-degree murder.
9:00 a.m. ET: Zimmerman is staring straight ahead during the prosecution's argument without showing any emotion.

8:56 a.m. ET:
8:54 a.m. ET: Mantei said Zimmerman's prior phone calls reporting su ious people shows his "building level of frustration."

8:50 a.m. ET: The prior phone call could help establish motive according to Mantei.
8:46 a.m. ET: Mantei said the phone call will help prove Zimmerman's state of mind the night of shooting. He is now supporting his argument with past case law.
8:43 a.m. ET: Prosecutor Rich Mantei is explaining to the judge why he feels the phone call Zimmerman placed in August 2011 about another allegedly su isous person in the neighborhood is relevant to the case at hand.
8:40 a.m. ET: The attorneys are reviewing their case law now. The jurors are not in the courtroom for this hearing.
8:36 a.m. ET: The attorneys are still at a sidebar with the judge.
8:30 a.m. ET: Judge Nelson is on the bench, and the attorneys have joined her for a sidebar.
8:00 a.m. ET: Court is expected to start at 8:30 a.m. ET.

[Trill Clinton]

the lank to day2 live blog, if you give a : http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/06...ive-blog-day-2

[Fabbs]

10:43 a.m. ET: West asked Dorival if a resident told her if there was a home invasion and robbery in the community. The prosecution objected as hearsay, and the judge sustained their objection. West reworded his question, and Dorival said yes one resident said she was traumatized by a home invasion where the perpetrator broke into her home during the day when she was home with her small child.
BAM!
10:49 a.m. ET: West asked Dorival if Zimmerman's behavior every raised any red flags. Dorival said no he seemed concerned and wanted to help.
BAM!

[Trill Clinton]

lol

[boobie4three]

10:43 a.m. ET: West asked Dorival if a resident told her if there was a home invasion and robbery in the community. The prosecution objected as hearsay, and the judge sustained their objection. West reworded his question, and Dorival said yes one resident said she was traumatized by a home invasion where the perpetrator broke into her home during the day when she was home with her small child.
BAM!
10:49 a.m. ET: West asked Dorival if Zimmerman's behavior every raised any red flags. Dorival said no he seemed concerned and wanted to help.
BAM!

TM fans will poo poo that testimony, but it's powerful indeed. Those women jurors probably can't imagine anything more terrorizing than a home invasion. They'll see GZ as wanting to prevent that.

[CosmicCowboy]

I feel sorry for this prosecutor. The only reason they filed on Zimmerman iinitially was because the head lady folded like a cheap lawn chair under the political pressure. He has a case and has to try to build something out of unrelated cir stantial bull .

[resistanze]

TM fans will poo poo that testimony, but it's powerful indeed. Those women jurors probably can't imagine anything more terrorizing than a home invasion. They'll see GZ as wanting to prevent that.

Yeah GZ did a bang-up job at that.

[Trill Clinton]

president of the HOA is on the stand:

11:54 a.m. ET: Prosecutor Mantei is asking O'Brien to tell jurors about how a man was caught breaking into a house in the neighborhood.
11:52 a.m. ET: O'Brien said the reason why Zimmerman was in charge of the neighborhood watch is, because he went to the police and organized it.
11:50 a.m. ET: "Everybody was supposed to watch out for their neighbors. If they see something su ious stay away and call the police," said O'Brien.
11:48 a.m. ET: O'Brien said the neighborhood watch had nothing to do with the HOA, and Zimmerman started it on his own.
11:46 a.m. ET: The prosecution has called Donald O'Brien the president of the Homeowners Association at Twin Lakes, Zimmerman's neighborhood.

[Fabbs]

TM fans will poo poo that testimony, but it's powerful indeed. Those women jurors probably can't imagine anything more terrorizing than a home invasion. They'll see GZ as wanting to prevent that.

Yep. So much for the mothers jury being an advantage for the young child Travon.

[Trill Clinton]

questions john guy(prosecution) asked the neighborhood watch person:

John Guy now examining for the state:
Guy: Have you ever told GZ that walking in the rain is su ious?
Dorival: No

Guy: Did you tell GZ it's okay to follow someone from a distance?
Dorival: No

[CosmicCowboy]

president of the HOA is on the stand:

11:54 a.m. ET: Prosecutor Mantei is asking O'Brien to tell jurors about how a man was caught breaking into a house in the neighborhood.
11:52 a.m. ET: O'Brien said the reason why Zimmerman was in charge of the neighborhood watch is, because he went to the police and organized it.
11:50 a.m. ET: "Everybody was supposed to watch out for their neighbors. If they see something su ious stay away and call the police," said O'Brien.
11:48 a.m. ET: O'Brien said the neighborhood watch had nothing to do with the HOA, and Zimmerman started it on his own.
11:46 a.m. ET: The prosecution has called Donald O'Brien the president of the Homeowners Association at Twin Lakes, Zimmerman's neighborhood.

HOA trying to distance themselves from civil liability

[Trill Clinton]

i like this o'brien guy, great testimony

12:02 a.m. ET: O'Brien is raising is voice while he is explaining that no one ever told the neighborhood watch volunteers to follow su ious people. The attorneys have finished their questions for O'Brien, and he as been excused. Judge Nelson has recessed court for lunch. The live blog will resume when court picks back up at 1:00 p.m. ET.

11:57 a.m. ET: O'Brien said some construction workers followed a su ious person in the neighborhood and caught him breaking into the house. So he sent out an email to the community praising the construction workers.