NC At It Again: Trying to Ban Tesla Direct Sales Model

[Drachen]

Hey man, I like what I like. you for going generic.

Though maybe I should just get what I can and buy these things and install them on my 04 elantra.

[TeyshaBlue]

[RandomGuy]

I still haven't read the bill yet, and probably won't. I wonder if this is along the lines of consumer protection. Without a dealership, warranty repairs may be difficult to obtain.

Its sponsor is state Sen. Tom Apodaca, a Republican from Henderson, who has said the goal is to prevent unfair compe ion between manufacturers and dealers.

This was the only claim "the reporter" really made about he motives, although he was very long on innuendo.

I wouldn't think it too much of stretch for a public official to push something on behalf of a campaign donor, and this quote is probably fairly easily verified.

Here is his website:
http://www.senatorapodaca.com/

[coyotes_geek]

coyotes_geek has these on his LTD. Makes it look just like an Audi.

It really accentuates the vinyl seats, fake wood panelling and AM radio.

[TeyshaBlue]

This was the only claim "the reporter" really made about he motives, although he was very long on innuendo.

I wouldn't think it too much of stretch for a public official to push something on behalf of a campaign donor, and this quote is probably fairly easily verified.

Here is his website:
http://www.senatorapodaca.com/

Historically, the compe ion fear was very real and was the driver for the ban. Nobody wanted the factory to control the dealerships, including the factories for the most part.

[RandomGuy]

coyotes_geek has these on his LTD. Makes it look just like an Audi.

I saw a Dodge charger with some purplish ring around the headlights. It looked cool. Couldn't quickly find a pic of it though.

[scott]

We really do need to get to the bottom of these Wild Cobra/Child Molestation questions.

[Th'Pusher]

What if the reason WC may be a child molester is a result of the fact that he was molested by his alcoholic uncle when he was fifteen?

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Historically, the compe ion fear was very real and was the driver for the ban. Nobody wanted the factory to control the dealerships, including the factories for the most part.

Sure it is but that is because there is absolutely no need for auto dealers when it gets down to it. This notion that a firm should not be allowed to sell their own is absurd as is the notion that a firm, any firm gets to have legislative support by virtue only of their existence.

I just don't see what benefit the consumer gets by an independent firm skimming 8% additional cost off the price of cars like the dealers do.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think you would find that the majority of the established manufacturers would prefer to let the dealership model stay. It's a much more stable sales model for them as they can pretty much dictate the dealerships inventory.

That is, it's not necessarily the dealerships that are the only ones pushing back on this. But I agree...I don't think the consumer is particularly well served, although there are a few exceptions.

[TeyshaBlue]

. Could I be anymore waffley?

[RandomGuy]

Sure it is but that is because there is absolutely no need for auto dealers when it gets down to it. This notion that a firm should not be allowed to sell their own is absurd as is the notion that a firm, any firm gets to have legislative support by virtue only of their existence.

I just don't see what benefit the consumer gets by an independent firm skimming 8% additional cost off the price of cars like the dealers do.

One could say the same thing about any bricks and mortar store selling shoes, clothes, books, or electronics.

Lotta people make a living selling things to other people.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I think you would find that the majority of the established manufacturers would prefer to let the dealership model stay. It's a much more stable sales model for them as they can pretty much dictate the dealerships inventory.

That is, it's not necessarily the dealerships that are the only ones pushing back on this. But I agree...I don't think the consumer is particularly well served, although there are a few exceptions.

I realize you are not arguing with my so if my tone is confrontational then I apologize. That being said, what you are saying only means a more diverse market. I can go with a local or national based dealer on whim.

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One could say the same thing about any bricks and mortar store selling shoes, clothes, books, or electronics.

Lotta people make a living selling things to other people.

Sure and that is what creates markets. All I am saying is that if you are going to have free markets then you should have free markets. Selling what you produce is not taking up horizontal market share they aren't even buying up existing firms. Being entrenched should not mean you can legislate away compe ion.

[TeyshaBlue]

I realize you are not arguing with my so if my tone is confrontational then I apologize. That being said, what you are saying only means a more diverse market. I can go with a local or national based dealer on whim.

No prob. I'm not being particularly clear. I would much prefer a choice between both models as well...just not either/or.

[baseline bum]

I think you would find that the majority of the established manufacturers would prefer to let the dealership model stay. It's a much more stable sales model for them as they can pretty much dictate the dealerships inventory.

That is, it's not necessarily the dealerships that are the only ones pushing back on this. But I agree...I don't think the consumer is particularly well served, although there are a few exceptions.

I don't think I agree with that. I can't remember which company it was (I'm thinking Toyota), but they had a website in the mid 90s where you could go order your new car right there. I have no idea if it was only for people with the ability to pay in cash or whether you could do financing through them, but I specifically remember being able to order straight from one of the major manufacturers in the 60 Minutes story I saw about this ridiculous "dealer tax" we're forced to pay in the mid 90s.

[TeyshaBlue]

I don't think I agree with that. I can't remember which company it was (I'm thinking Toyota), but they had a website in the mid 90s where you could go order your new car right there. I have no idea if it was only for people with the ability to pay in cash or whether you could do financing through them, but I specifically remember being able to order straight from one of the major manufacturers in the 60 Minutes story I saw about this ridiculous "dealer tax" we're forced to pay in the mid 90s.

Wasn't that Daewoo?

[baseline bum]

Wasn't that Daewoo?

Maybe so. I don't remember who it was.

[TeyshaBlue]

I think they were also paying college students to sell via their website as they were trying to gain a foothold on the market.

[coyotes_geek]

The U.S. Energy Department announced that Tesla Motors (TSLA), the electric car company founded in 2003 by PayPal creator Elon Musk, had repaid its $465 million loan nine years ahead of schedule. The Energy Department provided the funds to Tesla in 2010 as part of the Obama Administration’s Advanced Technology Vehicle Manufacturing program. Tesla said it was able to repay its loans by using a portion of the approximately $1 billion in funds the company raised in last week’s offering of stock and debt.

[Th'Pusher]

^ Federal government doin' work, pickin' winners.

[boutons_deux]

Tesla Sales Model Rejected In Texas Despite Citizen Support





http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/11/...eanTechnica%29

TX Repugs, those relentless, ruthless defenders of FREE MARKETS and hands-off, non-regulating, small govt!

Do as we Repugs say, not as we Repugs do

TX Repugs spiting a Fed-govt-picked WINNER

[coyotes_geek]

Disappointing, and predictable.

[boutons_deux]

Tesla Motors Conquers North Carolina

Tesla Motors has won yet another legal victory in its fight to sell directly to consumers and bypass the outdated auto-dealership sales model — the North Carolina House of Representatives just scrapped a bill put forward by the North Carolina Automobile Dealers Association that would have banned Tesla from selling its universally lauded electric vehicles within the state.

http://cleantechnica.com/2013/06/30/...eanTechnica%29

[Wild Cobra]

Wow...

For once, you brought us some good news hat is believable!