Yahoo: News on on a potential Tiago Splitter offersheet

[Kindergarten Cop]

It's more that teams round up height and are slow to change weight-listings if the player gains fat. As far as what tesseractive is saying, he's right. Combine numbers are pretty accurate, but the NBA lists heights with shoes, and that adds an inch or two. So if Millsap were 6-6 at the combine without shoes, it's very possible that he'd be conventionally listed as 6-8 in the pros. In Europe he'd be listed at about two meters (his without-shoe height). Cultural difference.

I realize this, but the fact that they always round up tells you something - especially considering that they don't wear 2+" heels on their shoes. It would even out and not make a difference if every player went by height in shoes or true height - but that's not the case. Some players are honest and some try to hedge their measurements. I'm not too concerned with the issue, just pointing it out.

[jbspurs]

No, I watched.. I saw Parker, Duncan and Kawhi carry this team for the most part and Danny Green show up and Neal in spots.. The Memphis series was his best series but he wasn't a game changer

You shouLd watch it again.. Check who guarded Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, and Randolph. You think Bonner or Blair can guard those guys? He's not a game changer but, without him we would've not made it to finals.. Remember, not everything shows on stats sheets...

[objective]

The Spurs front office wants to pay Bonner 4 million a year. Going off that, Splitter is a minimum of 8 per year, maybe up to 12. Based on Bonner.

[TheGoldStandard]

We've got Diaw, so if we can add a perimeter player who can backup TP and create his own shot (Jarrett Jack) isn't it worth downgrading from Splitter to a scrub (Blatche, Birdman, KMart) or making a run at a slight downgrade in JJ Hickson? Just because we don't pay Splitter $8-9m a year doesn't mean we have to find another big at that number. There are plenty of alternatives. We need another trusted ball handler and guy who can create. Manu's not up for the job anymore.

Blatche average the same crappy stats roughly as Tiago last year on a tier team and less minutes. He's also not expecting 8 million dollars. better deal there.

[jestersmash]

We've got Diaw, so if we can add a perimeter player who can backup TP and create his own shot (Jarrett Jack) isn't it worth downgrading from Splitter to a scrub (Blatche, Birdman, KMart) or making a run at a slight downgrade in JJ Hickson? Just because we don't pay Splitter $8-9m a year doesn't mean we have to find another big at that number. There are plenty of alternatives. We need another trusted ball handler and guy who can create. Manu's not up for the job anymore.

If we absolutely could get someone like Jarret Jack, then honestly yes I'll agree with you. I'm totally for something like that. I agree with everything you said. What's the latest news on Jack by the way? The vibe I got from him was that he enjoyed Golden State and wanted to stay. I wasn't even aware that he was a viable or practical option.

[Chinook]

I realize this, but the fact that they always round up tells you something - especially considering that they don't wear 2+" heels on their shoes. It would even out and not make a difference if every player went by height in shoes or true height - but that's not the case. Some players are honest and some try to hedge their measurements. I'm not too concerned with the issue, just pointing it out.

It's not a player's decision, though. It's not like Millsap is standing on his tip-toes when the team measures him. Teams like to round up to make players seem taller than they are. Everyone does it, so it's not dishonest. It's just a convention. Just like people tried to argue that Baynes wasn't a seven-footer because he was listed at 6-10 by his European team.

[therealtruth]

Seems like you just looked at stats and not watch the game itself.

Pretty much. If you're not going to watch the games at least look at the advanced stats as well where you will see what effect Splitter has had on the defense.

[jestersmash]

Man, I've been away from NBA talk licking my wounds from Game 6 too long . Guess it looks like Jack will likely look elsewhere from GSW because his market value is almost certainly greater than his player option for '13-'14

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/goodbye...203800184.html

[TheGoldStandard]

You shouLd watch it again.. Check who guarded Pau Gasol, Marc Gasol, and Randolph. You think Bonner or Blair can guard those guys? He's not a game changer but, without him we would've not made it to finals.. Remember, not everything shows on stats sheets...

They all average about what they made during the regular season and Marc Gasol is not a major scorer, neither is Pau Gasol.. They were averaging 14 points during the regular season and they averaged about the same and there rebounds went up they were getting double doubles.. It only looks nice because everyone else was clicking. Bonner actually did well in the LA series which was a surprise but I think that's more of a testament to how ty LA was last year.

[coachmac87]

The Spurs front office wants to pay Bonner 4 million a year. Going off that, Splitter is a minimum of 8 per year, maybe up to 12. Based on Bonner.

Lol you know when you look at it that way...it's quite true and hilarious. Splitter is a max player hahahaha

[Splits]

If we absolutely could get someone like Jarret Jack, then honestly yes I'll agree with you. I'm totally for something like that. I agree with everything you said. What's the latest news on Jack by the way? The vibe I got from him was that he enjoyed Golden State and wanted to stay. I wasn't even aware that he was a viable or practical option.

GSW wants him back, but he's unrestricted, and made $5.4m last year. Could probably be gotten for around $8m/per.

[Mikeanaro]

Too Much money for Tiago, but remember this front office payed more for RJ, they spent money overpaying some players, and then spent time searching around the world for some international talents for cheap, they should get a big fish for once god damn, those internationals are talented, but soft as

[Splits]

Man, I've been away from NBA talk licking my wounds from Game 6 too long . Guess it looks like Jack will likely look elsewhere from GSW because his market value is almost certainly greater than his player option for '13-'14

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/goodbye...203800184.html

Yeah, and he already turned down his player option so he's an UFA.

[Kindergarten Cop]

It's not a player's decision, though. It's not like Millsap is standing on his tip-toes when the team measures him. Teams like to round up to make players seem taller than they are. Everyone does it, so it's not dishonest. It's just a convention. Just like people tried to argue that Baynes wasn't a seven-footer because he was listed at 6-10 by his European team.

I disagree with the bolded part, but even so - do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Everyone does it, so it's not dishonest? I think that the players who are very short for their position round up a lot more than those that don't need it.

With that being said, I don't think that this conversation needs to go on much further considering that FA just started and there are more important things that we could debate. Like how this whole "measurement" dispute came up - do you think that Milsap would be an adequate full time replacement for Splitter given the same money?

[TheGoldStandard]

Too Much money for Tiago, but remember this front office payed more for RJ, they spent money overpaying some players, and then spent time searching around the world for some international talents for cheap, they should get a big fish for once god damn, those internationals are talented, but soft as

Some people are sold on Tiago's intangibles but for that kind of money his glaring offensive weaknesses will be put on display. We're saying that he's worth about just as much as Duncan, Parker and Manu. I mean if we're paying him 8 or 9 million how much are they going to have to pay Kawhi when his deal comes around?

[Chinook]

I disagree with the bolded part, but even so - do you see how ridiculous that sounds? Everyone does it, so it's not dishonest? I think that the players who are very short for their position round up a lot more than those that don't need it.

With that being said, I don't think that this conversation needs to go on much further considering that FA just started and there are more important things that we could debate. Like how this whole "measurement" dispute came up - do you think that Milsap would be an adequate full time replacement for Splitter given the same money?

Oh no. Millsap can't replace Splitter. The only way I'd do that swap is if I though Baynes would replace Splitter (like how Green replaced Hill). If the Spurs somehow magically acquire Millsap, I'd be in favor of pushing Splitter back to the bench, but I don't think Millsap could fill Splitter's role at all.

[manufan10]

at the people who want Tiago gone, but are willing to start Diaw. Diaw doesn't rebound either.

[TheGoldStandard]

at the people who want Tiago gone, but are willing to start Diaw. Diaw doesn't rebound either.

He stretches the floor, lol..

[SpursRock20]

He stretches the floor, lol..

....and then fakes.....and then fakes again...lol

[Splits]

at the people who want Tiago gone, but are willing to start Diaw. Diaw doesn't rebound either.

Huh? So replacing a guy who doesn't rebound with another guy who doesn't rebound that also started for us during the 20 game win streak...? What are you saying?

[Mikeanaro]

Some people are sold on Tiago's intangibles but for that kind of money his glaring offensive weaknesses will be put on display. We're saying that he's worth about just as much as Duncan, Parker and Manu. I mean if we're paying him 8 or 9 million how much are they going to have to pay Kawhi when his deal comes around?

EXACTLY! Tiago is not a Duncan caliber guy (TP and Manu included) if we are paying him 9 million Kawhi should get 1 paradisiac Island every year when his big deal comes around

[ElNono]

Some people are sold on Tiago's intangibles but for that kind of money his glaring offensive weaknesses will be put on display. We're saying that he's worth about just as much as Duncan, Parker and Manu. I mean if we're paying him 8 or 9 million how much are they going to have to pay Kawhi when his deal comes around?

A max deal is $20 million dollars/season in this league... If Kawhi keeps progressing the way he has, we're probably gonna have to hand him a contract in the $12m-$15m/season range if not more. If we don't, somebody else will. That's just what the market says he's worth. Right now Tiago was offered a QO of around $5m a season, IIRC. If a teams comes around and offers $8m/season then that's his value.

What other available centers you're seeing we can land for that money? I'm thinking Asik, but as Chinook said, Rockets probably want better pieces for him.

[Kindergarten Cop]

Oh no. Millsap can't replace Splitter. The only way I'd do that swap is if I though Baynes would replace Splitter (like how Green replaced Hill). If the Spurs somehow magically acquire Millsap, I'd be in favor of pushing Splitter back to the bench, but I don't think Millsap could fill Splitter's role at all.

That was my stance with SpursRock20, so we are in complete agreement there.

[TheGoldStandard]

EXACTLY! Tiago is not a Duncan caliber guy (TP and Manu included) if we are paying him 9 million Kawhi should get 1 paradisiac Island every year when his big deal comes around

It would have to be 20Mil a year

[4down]

EXACTLY! Tiago is not a Duncan caliber guy (TP and Manu included) if we are paying him 9 million Kawhi should get 1 paradisiac Island every year when his big deal comes around

Kawhi worth at least one Hawaiian island tbh