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Cept for Fish, Artest and Gasol.
That's how it got to:::
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 6
Yeah the pressures of LA thing is false. Nobody wants to play with Vino.
Cept for Fish, Artest and Gasol.
That's how it got to:::
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 6
You know nothing. Im sure you know more than JVG, Chuck, etc. Like I said best basketball fit and media eviornment in Houston. Maybe Kobe was a bigger reason. I just dont think it's bull , to act as though the Lakers pressure wasnt a factor. Dwight himself said the fans were too hard,, etc. So dont act like the pressure did not get to him. He also threw a hissy fit in his last game and got tossed. He also talked about the pressure of making the playoffs. All of that is PRESSURE. Our media got on him about Ft's. Sure Kobe was loved and he was not in the city. I Never said Kobe is not a shot hog. Add it up , he chose Houston. Like I said pressure was a factor doubt it wa sthe ONLY or MAIn reason. Just a factor. But please proceed.
If you want the fans that absolve Kobe of ALl his sins you are looking in the wrong place. But doesnt chaneg the fact that Dwight wasnt built for that . Even the last minute waffling tells me all I need to know. If all that is true why even hesitate? Why paly with a shot hungry aging star who is bigger than you? He just wanted that extra year because he knows his back is on borrowed time. He had no good reason except the extra year to pick teh Lakers, the extra presure also being a negative.
Don't forget Pop dropping F bombs on him during the All Star Game too.
That too. Funny thing is I get Kobe is an asshole. A shot hog. I dont dispute any of this. But i love how Some geniuses here are defending Dwight for his bull . I hope Dwight figures it out and like I said in another thread a coach like RC or Pop (no nonsense) would be best for him. He chose the best team but the only coach that was lateral move from D'antoni. Pop and duncan tutoring him would of been the best thing for him, plus your fans would of loved him and excused his baby makin'.
Typical Killa. 'Yeah Kobe is a ballhog and that played a role but let me just briefly mention that and write two paragraphs about everything else instead'.
Howard came to LA, he was compared to other great bigmen. He knew about the 'pressures and expectations' in LA from the get go, if he was scared why would he have agreed to go there for a year? I think its obvious playing next to the greatest chucker of all-time was worse than anything he couldve prepared himself for. Getting on while the chucker received no blame from fans/media. , why would anyone blame him for bolting or think he left because hes 'soft'? Take off your Kobe stained glasses off and analyze the situation Howard was in for what it is...which is one of the most undesirable situations a star player can be in.
Laker fans fear not, there will be a new whipping boy when kaman signs his new deal with you guys.
You've nary room....you've tied Asik to the post and are gonna wear his ass out as well.
Makes no sense. Why would I write a paragraph, when I concede you have a valid point? What a dense perspective you have. Why would I need a paragraph to point out the part of the argument you got right? I am defending my argument not yours, that is your job genius ...Typical Killa. 'Yeah Kobe is a ballhog and that played a role but let me just briefly mention that and write two paragraphs about everything else instead'.
Howard came to LA, he was compared to other great bigmen. He knew about the 'pressures and expectations' in LA from the get go, if he was scared why would he have agreed to go there for a year? I think its obvious playing next to the greatest chucker of all-time was worse than anything he couldve prepared himself for. Getting on while the chucker received no blame from fans/media. , why would anyone blame him for bolting or think he left because hes 'soft'? Take off your Kobe stained glasses off and analyze the situation Howard was in for what it is...which is one of the most undesirable situations a star player can be in.
It's almost like something terrible happened, a few weeks ago that has half the board "stuck on stupid" ...
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=9402103
In fact, Bible Kemp willingly accepted more pressure and scrutiny by a) joining a young star like Harden on a team that plans to contend for les, b) playing on his third team in the past three years in his prime, and c) leaving the media's favorite team, tbh.....
Just a re ed argument all-around that Lakerfan is perpetuating because they refuse to accept they're en led and Kirby's a cancer....
Yeah, you dont have a problem conceding valid points Ill give you that. But you have a habit of trying to sweep them under the rug while focusing on something more favorable to your hero Kobe. Ill ask you this...what do you think had a bigger impact--the 'bright lights and pressure' or Howard simply being in a really undesirable situation (Kobe chucking, media/fans blame everyone but Kobe, give all the glory to Kobe, etc)?
Yet, the Lakers put up ing billboards begging, BEGGING, Howard to stay. For ing shame.
I don't mean this as an insult but you...you're pretty ing dumb...Typical Killa. 'Yeah Kobe is a ballhog and that played a role but let me just briefly mention that and write two paragraphs about everything else instead'.
Howard came to LA, he was compared to other great bigmen. He knew about the 'pressures and expectations' in LA from the get go, if he was scared why would he have agreed to go there for a year? I think its obvious playing next to the greatest chucker of all-time was worse than anything he couldve prepared himself for. Getting on while the chucker received no blame from fans/media. , why would anyone blame him for bolting or think he left because hes 'soft'? Take off your Kobe stained glasses off and analyze the situation Howard was in for what it is...which is one of the most undesirable situations a star player can be in.who asks a dumb ass question like that...
not too bright dawg
I dont get it. Isnt that what you do in a debate? YOu made a great case as did I. I'll be honest I dont know which was more of an impact. I think they both did and it's related. City loved Kobe and it would of been Kobe's team as long as he returned. Funny thing, Dumb ass Nick Cannon was on First Take today and he said something similar which Skip agreed with (I didnt mention him, cuz he is a shock journalist) that Lakers fans and the city never embraced Dwight like they did shaq.
He also mentioned that lakers fans did not embrace Kobe at first it wasnt until he won them over with hard-work (something Dwight lacks except in weight room) that many became Kobe fans. Some still hate him. Most Laker fans i know were on TeamShaq during "the feud". The fact that Kobe did not get along with Dwight much like Shaq tells me that Kobe is an asshole. But the the beef he had that neither worked hard enough is valid. And doesnt change cuz Kobe is a prick. But at least shaq DOMINATED. Now way if you put Shaq on that Magic team in 2009, same team-mates would he allow Pau to defend him for any stretch without caving in his chest. Shaq got plenty of heat (PRESSURE) when we got swept 4 straight years pre-Phil. He was getting murdered to stop rapping and doing movies and work on his game ... without Phil that NEVER happens. I just dont think Dwight has that in him like Shaq and definitely not as much work ethic as Kobe.
Again the "why" hardly matters. I just disagree the pressure is not a factor. It happens in sports all the time player gets traded to yanks or Redsox (Carl Crawford, cough) and they fold under pressure. I am not saying Dwight folded so to speak and I think he could of been "fine" in L.A. But he will thrive or do better in Houston. I believe that and Im sure he knew it too. I think it was a factor.
Kobe - Kate's Pussy
Bell Boy - Kobe's Soaked Towel
Lakerfan MIGHT have a case if Dwight wanted to be traded there and left. But he never wanted to go there in the first place, with Kobe being the main reason. Asking for them to hire Phil probably would have made him stay, so it has nothing to do with the pressures. It's funny how laker s would have a different tune if he stayed, but right now, they're just gettin their Taylor Swift on.
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 6
I was not on the Thread campaign (against the trade) but if you read my posts, after seeing him for 70 games or so I was against paying him 5 years max money. Said that way before he left and for th3 same reasons I pointed to here. Even at max, 4 years is so less worrisome. I think he has 3 just past below-prime years left. So great move despute his flaws for Rox less so for the Lakers.
Nice. Tell it to spurfan.
Kobe: 5
the tired old bag Duncan: 6
& I'm potent.
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Culb, gettin' his sidesteppin' on, trying to avoid the memory of 39, but it's still:::
Duncan: 6
the tired old bag Kirby: 6
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